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Winter Tharja IV's? (Please Click!!)

I got two Winter Tharja after around 70 orbs.
One is (+atk/-spd), and the other is (+def/-spd).
Which one should I invest into? I'm relatively new so any kind of advice is appreciated!

Asked by Aaralyne4 days 18 hours ago
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Do you play Honkai Impact?!

They're both really good IVs for combat purposes, some would say +Atk/-Spd is the best (it definitely is for the pure offensive set if you inherit Bold Fighter onto her for B).

A defensive set is a bit harder to get the fodder for (Special Fighter B and Quick Riposte seal probably beats Vengeful Fighter, and not everyone has a spare Special Fighter), but not un-worthwhile.

A mixed set would run Close Counter, Bold Fighter, and Quick Riposte seal, not having the function of Guard, but doubling on either phase.

(I say "for combat purposes" above because -HP would have kept both Tharja from dropping an IV bin, but I don't know if people still use sub-base 170 armors in arena still. IV bins have actually ceased to be that important for the sub-170 bst units with a duel skill, as they can just run what is optimal, but W!Tharja may not get any kind of duel skill.)

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You could keep both, and, I say, should. Merging one into the other doesn't strike me as a move with a lot of upside. If anything, I'd give both a different blessing, so you can use them in different gardens.

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We're friends, or at least once were - I might have deleted you if you went inactive, but I remember the name.

EDIT: Still on the friends list. Nope, was never in Deity, at one point had my own armada, CybeRose, since then was in Scarlet and now am in Singularity (or "Technological Singularity"). Added you for whatever random reason.

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Huh, the coincidences!
I used to be apart of a group called Deity, or something along those lines (if that's worth anything), but hey, It's nice to meet you again(?).

I'd like to refrain from spamming this forum about Honkai stuff tho. ty!

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by Lain 4 days 18 hours ago

THAT PICTURES SCARES ME ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.
HOLY ALM.

I would say +Def -Spd.

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Really depends on how you’re going to use her. Atk boon would be good with bold fighter and Def boon would be good with vengeful (which is the build I use). So if you have bold fighter lying around and she’ll be used for the long term than maybe give it to the Atk boon. +Atk is more for player phase and +Def is more for Close Counter VF enemy phase.

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As someone who uses Tharja I have to say +Atk because her defenses are great but her damage output is lackluster. It gives her the most versatility and doesn't sacrifice anything you necessarily need.

So say you want to run her default and just refine her for Def she will work perfectly fine. Owltome you can also refine for Def and you get slightly more stats all around. And for offensive sets with BF bladetome you'll want Atk boon more than anything. The difference is small but I dont consider her a Ignis bomb character enough to choose it over attack.

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Thanks for your Advice!

Just out of curiosity's sake, which unit will be more effective in the "long term", as in if both units were +5, which one would be more effective?

It seems to me that more people prefer the +def version b/c a lot of team compositions don't require Winter Tharja as there are better units that can fill that major roll as a player phased dmg dealer.

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For red on an armor emblem team you aren't easily replaceable. It's the least common color and she is the only mage. Sure you have Myrhh (no range) and Zeph/BK, but that's about it. I use her because I needed someone with magic damage and the added range is nice. As for the iv I think the difference is minuscule at all levels. But +Atk is always better on armor emblem team. The reason being is you typically stack wards over stacking goad because armors tend to not need speed. So getting that +Atk iv will matter more at all stages of merging and all builds.

So say you have Owltome +Def Tharja she will have 37/36 defenses. Next to 2 people you get 41/40. Add on 2 wards and both are roughly 50. But your damage will stay at 50. So adding to that attack matters more.

In another scenario lets say you have a more speedy comp and you hone/fortify. Tharja will get +10 or +6 defenses so you will have roughly the same tanking ability. And this could still be on your bladetome build. She just needs to hit harder as both of her defenses are fine as they are.

Do you need help with your armor team in general? Finding a role for everybody in these teams is a good part of it.

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I have a +Atk, -Spd one as well. I feel this IV set is her most versatile if she wants to switch between a Vengeful Fighter and Bold Fighter builds. Both IVs on yours are really good. Personally, I think you should keep both (give the +Atk one the Bladetome and Vengeful sets and the +Def one the Vengeful set only). You never know when particular IVs can make or break a Hero Battle, Squad Assault or Blessed Grounds.

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