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Why is Eirika still only a 3.5?

She's fairly easy to +10 being both available at four star and (practically) out since release. On top of that, she's a great buffer and her weapon lets her absorb her own buffs. She has a fantastic stat distribution, if you have a high attack Eirika, then she's not weak in even one stat. I just married my +atk -def Eirika and she's a beast.

I didn't even finish the summoner support yet, so she still has one more point of HP to gain and two for ATK. On top of that, her stats will be astronomically higher in battle when adding the other buffs. With her stats and 54 hp? That's lit, I could even make it 59 if I gave her the seal.

She even takes only 1 damage from a maxed out Nino

(Usually she has res tactic equipped along with "Rally spd/def")

Asked by Souljia Boy9 months 1 week ago

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Because she doesnt have a skimpy outfit on....

Most of the thots in this game have low ratings 2/3 Camillas are a 3.5, Kagero is a 3.5, Summer Robin and Tiki, and Halloween Nowi are all 3.5

and most of the more serious girls have ratings of a 4.5 or higher - Like Ayra, Lucina, Lute, Myrhh, Winter Lissa, Tiki Y & A, Soleil, Brave Lucina, all Azuras, Mia, Fae, all Lyns, Amelia, Tana, Sheena, Ninian, Micaiah, Minerva, Linde, both Celicas, Elincia, the other Eirika, Delthea, Corrin F, and Cordelia.

Lol who down voted me wtf

Didn't think people pay attention to those...I know I don't. Barely even check tier lists out... again, this is just me, personally.

Simple answer, they clearly forgot. She's pretty badass, now... and holy shit I just realise she doesn't even have a proper A-slot (stat-boosting, I mean). That's even worse (in a really good way).

That's what I'm saying, her stats are good enough for her to pull off DC - Imagine what those numbers would be with fury?

On top of that, she can buff the whole squad.

yeah I want to make people see that you need amazing stats in the first place to pull off DC, otherwise you're just better off maximising your offenses/everything else.

probs havem't updated their rankings yet.

That's what I thought, but they already updated her builds and explanations... =/

I'm with you on this one. I tend to look at the tier list with a different perspective. I like to think of it as a baseline 5* optimized tier list. Factoring in availability, I hold non-5* exclusive units in higher regard simply for the fact that you are more likely to be able to +10. While units like Winter Tharja are phenominal, it is highly unlikely you will ever come close to +10; unless your a whale of course

I don't know if Tharja is the best example of that...+10 or not, even a neutral IV Tharja has the potential for insane durability (which is where she gets the best mileage out of her role). Close/Distant Defense Tharja with Fort Armour has around 46 Def/48 Res as it is...

I feel like Ike, vanguard and og, also depend on merges. Regular Ike isn't as impressive if he isn't high speed and merged. He's far more formidable that way.

She just isn't a good unit herself. By herself, with no other units around, Eirika will struggle to win against other reds, and several green tanks will laugh at her damage. Blue units will eat her.

Yes, you have great stats there. But you have also heavily invested in her, and other +10 merged units with spirit and summoner support will have just as good of stats. When ratings are done we don't look at merges/summoner support/etc because it is available to all units and the same for all units.

Eirika is a fantastic support. She will power up your other units. She will survive most battles on account of not getting doubled and having solid def/res. She works great in a lot of team comps. But she isn't a solid 'general red' that you would want in any typical thrown together team.

This is how I like to rate units, I never take merges/availability in consideration when it comes to judging units.

Why? Potential and merging is essential in this day and age lol.

I say potential because some units aren't even that impressive after extensive merging. I actually have a notebook where I've written down countless builds and +10 possibilities.

Also, you can't even dream of staying in tier 20 without heavily merged units.

You just answered your own question. You are considering Arena as the primary criteria for the rating system. The person you are replying to probably is not.

Which brings me to my question. What is the rating system actually rating? It can't be overly indicative of arena performance since that is what the arena tier list is for yet most healers score really low. But healers are great in most game modes so maybe it does take arena into account more than any other category. Who knows? I honestly never even look at them anymore.

That's actually such a good point. You see, the arena is my main aim in this game and it's what has kept me playing this game. So in my mind, the arena is the axis of all events in the game, however, I never thought that other players and even gamepress would rank it differently.

I see what you're saying , trust me I do; however, I think Eirika is an exception. She has far more potential than any unit one could just put together.

I put so much time into her (Actually, not really - Tbh I've always liked Eirika, but I keep pulling her like nobody's business. I've sent so many home and even after +10ing her, I still have enough for almost another +10 lol. This was the easiest +10 I've ever done tbh)

Anyway, I've invested the feathers and skill I have into her because she has potential. It's not like she's Selena or Robin who will become good units by +10ing them. When Eirika's +10, she's a top tier unit especially with her new sword. On a tactics team, she could have +12 in every stat. If you add that with an ally support or a spur seal, then that could go to +14 in every stat and +18 in another.

On top of her good stats, she is a fantastic support, tank, and mage counter. She buffs the whole crew, can even survive blue mages like Linda, Lute, and Delthea. On top of that, she has an incredible amount of HP, if I used a high HP Eirika, then she could have 62 hp, which is insane.

See, you are looking at this wrong. Ratings are for the individual unit, not the team it is in. You are right that Eirika has potential, but so do other units.

Yes, she could get +12 or more to all stats with proper spurs and buffs with her prf weapon refine, but that requires teammates. There is a reason that Leo isn't rated 5 on the hero scale, even though with merges/summoner support/ally support/seals/deathblow/bladetome and horse buffs he can one shot nearly every red unit and green unit in the game. Its because, by himself without other units, he SUCKS that he is placed in the lower end of the heroes.

Exactly, it's why the site has separate tier lists for Emblem Teams, because the main tier list doesn't take into account teammates and support.

No no, I definitely see what you mean! I know how gamepress reviews units, but I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm just saying I personally think game press should take more into account - MAYBE not on their ratings per se, but then at least in the explanations or on the list of pros & cons.

ALSO, Eirika and Leo are not the same. He is a five star only unit, which makes merging him very impractical.

Lastly, I do think Gamepress's ratings are skewed. Nino is only a 4/5, but she's so much better than that, even with minimal work.

On top of that, Eirika is a very compatible unit that can work on most teams because of her great support utility.

There is a reason I only ever use this forum anymore. Ratings and tier lists can't quantify a hero's potential with regards to their teammates. Sure, there are emblem tier lists as well, but with the great mixed team skills that exist now there is too much to take into consideration for an "overall rating" to be accurate.

Well, there isn't much point in debating this anymore. You speak of a unit's potential, then say that merges shouldn't be looked at evenly for two units (even though they have the same merge potential) because it is harder to merge one than the other.

Leo was just an example of a unit that is generally bad on its own but great when coupled with the right team. Eirika is the same. She will be underwhelming by herself (can't make use of that prf weapon effect or refine without teammates) but can really shine with the right team. However, I wouldn't consider a unit that has to have a team built around her (to change her from underwhelming to great) a good unit on her own.

Ok like....i have a refined +atk eirika. I gave her the TA set with sword breaker and qr. Without further team support she is.....very underwhelming against sword units and even some greens.

I also have a refined +spd raven with fury and desperation....he can easily set up on reds with NO support.

The difference between them is that: ye eirika can be good with her weapon but her stats are too balanced. and if you want to make the best out of her weapon then you gotta run other biffers to buff HER. Which kinda makes her primary weapon effect pointless. And as someone else pointed out (but i didnt listen....i didnt.....listen) why bother having her on a tactics team when you can just exchange her for someone better.

That said i did expect her to jump to 4/5....at first

She buffs herself now...

Shes not that good dude just accept it. I didnt wanna believe it myself either (bec i wasted 200 dew on her) but its the truth dude. ANY unit can be top tier and have crazy stats with enough si and fodder (except odin)

It's not that I don't want to believe it lol - I don't care about wasting dew, feathers, and the like, I'm not some broke ass bitch.

I'm using her by choice, my Ike is +10 now and so is my adult Tiki. Both of them are high tier, I put Eirika on my team and my battles are a lot smoother now.

I've been in tier 20 since the game even created tier 20 and I used to spend real money and time on this game. My collection of five stars is about 150 or so now, I'm at no shortage and that isn't counting merges.

I'm not using her because I'm desperate, I really have seen her work well as unit.

Ah i see whats going on here.

I apologize for insulting your waifu

Actually, I'm straight and a girl. I'd say nice try, but that was a pretty generic comeback.

The only thing that's insulted me is that you've mistaken me for someone who has even the tiniest bit of respect for something as embarrassing as waifu/husbando culture lmao

Like....why do you feel the need to go off on tangents and providing both uneccesary and personal information. Were talking about a game here i dont need to know your life story tbh

Because you foolishly assumed I was a straight male and that Eirika was my "waifu"

You know what they say about assuming, it makes an ass out of you and me lol - Also, how was anything I said personal? I didn't know my gender was personal lmao

I didnt "foolishly assume" anything about YOU, i just used preconceived notions that everyone who plays these kinds of games is a greasy male nerd holed up in their room with the fact that even if you are a whale you will only + 10 your FAVORITE units. Calling her your waifu was just a lightearted joke and used as a place holder for " im sorry for insulting a unit you like so much and invested a lot of time on" (doesnt quite roll off the tongue now does it?) No need to be TRIGGERED.

And even if you aren't a "broke ass bitch" divine dew IS still rare for EVERYONE. And actually calling people out on not +10 their units by is far more insulting imo.

Bec i literaly do not need to know or care

Yeah you assumed and you did say "your waifu." I'm not sure if you know how the English language works, but "your" is possessive, which does involve me.

Also, that's not the point, you tried to completely invalidate my argument by just dismissing me and trying to say I was biased. I don't play favorites with units and my interest in them is completely based off of stats and potential, I don't care who was my favorite in the real game.

I'm not triggered, but you're distracting from the real argument, which is my unit and her capability. Also, you do need to know because you misconstrued my entire argument based off an assumption.

"And actually calling people out on not +10 their units by is far more insulting imo." - Also, lmk when you can translate this to English, thanks in advance.

Ah...so its come to this....lm on mobile...i neither neither have the patience or care for revising and editing.

Ok im sorry for that. My intention was to try to diffuse the situation and snip it in the bud b4 it came to this. But my cronic ambivalence forces me to make questionable statements that can be taken the wrong way.

And ye. My mind was and is not made up on her yet. But i KNEW you were gonna be...difficult (and this is exibit a)

Ye its called a runon sentence. Its not...illegible. And i you dont care to take a few extra seconts to figure it out......i assure you: i care even less

And idk i feel bad.....i think ur the type to cry over this so im just gonna stop this. (Like i should have done in the first place....like i failed to do)

I'm not gonna cry over fire emblem HEROES LOL. Are you okay? It's a fucking mobile game, I still have a life.

Idk, you kind of seem like a loser. You initially wrote a response that would have come to a reconciliation, but then you edited it to be rude. Then you added that you think I'm going to cry, probably because I'm a girl. I feel like you had a fedora phase irl and probably think nobody wants to get with you because you're a nice guy.

I'm just confused about the "on not +10ing their units is by far more insulting." How? And when did I say that?

Also, I'm sorry to be rude, but it just seemed that you were not willing to listen to my argument and decided to just dismiss it instead. I didn't spend all of that time writing those paragraphs because I was bored.

Also did you edit your response because I'm pretty sure it said something else "like me" before, but I could be wrong.

Ok let me just start a new treat reak quit

At the end of the day tier lists shouldn't be taken seriously to an extent, regardless of a unit's placement, the glorious thing about Heroes is that ANYONE can be good (even Odin) thanks to a lot of things. Tier lists are more of a guide really (at least when it comes to most tier lists). A good example is Smash 4's tier list, I adore using Ganondorf despite him being bottom tier, so really don't be bothered about ratings and stuff, just use what you like to use and roll with it.

The crux of this issue is that the moment i read "broke ass bitch" you lost all credibility in my eyes and THAT is what prompted me to dismiss your argument and take you seriously

1) I thought you were leaving

2) OH SORRY, I made a joke on the internet. How weird, right? Stop reaching already. It's not like I'm writing my thesis, we're talking about a mobile game.

Im not nice im abrassive af and thats just how i like it. I try my best to not waste time with people that dont deserve it.

Nobody said you were nice? And how sweet because you've been wasting a lot of time talking to me, so I guess I "deserve" it, right? Lol

With that being said, it's been real and, please, don't bother replying because I won't even waste my time reading whatever incoherent response you manage to come up with next. It's been fun, autismo.

*sigh* mistakes were made. Lol