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Why Can't we have More Builds like This?
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59 physical bulk before owl spurs, so in the AI's hands I wouldn't expect more than 63 physical bulk unless some drive defense or rallies are going on. You're telling me your Hana couldn't muster up 50-55 atk? Did you get chilled/ployed/smoked? I thought Hana is a lot more dangerous than that
Like, even a well-merged Raven might one-shot this Nino, and he doesn't have colour advantage
Not trying to make you look bad, Krazytre, but I really don't like this Nino. Aether is not the correct play with desperation.
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My 5* +2 merged Hana has 53 attack and 46 speed. Against the Nino provided that has more than enough speed to not get doubled, along with a unit near her that's also providing a Drive Def buff?
Yes, my Hana was not able to one-shot her. I never said you had to like the Nino, I was just providing a picture of a unit that steers away from the typical "Bladetome" build that's seen on her 95% of the time. It wasn't supposed to be a "make all of your units like this" post, lol.
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Look, I'm all for mixing it up, but I don't have too much respect for a build that happened to work because it has 8 more merges than your Hana. If it's all a ploy (in the common sense of the word) to get people to think "ooh squishy mage! don't think more about it just attack with your sword" and then they trick some arena defense wins out of it, I can respect that as art of trickery.
If Nino is to tank, and counterintuitively enough, she can, this build is not how it's done. If they're going to use desperation, I find aether and close counter to be in quite bad taste. If Nino in this build is to survive more than one hit from anything that isn't blue, I would expect her to need someone to give her some more HP; aether isn't going to be enough. I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
As it stands, I still think it's a pretty unabashed grab at points, and I find that contemptible.
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Read a few posts today, youve bashed em all. So maybe ya know... Eat a snickers and quit being such a takumi. If your just gonna hate, then just go hit up 4chan. Also your attempts at the fifty dollar words to complete your "I know all" persona is kinda amussing. All in all I need more Elise and less Innes from ya Brotha/Sista!
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Hey Sherrick, appreciate it. I know I'm not the most positive person and that I'm generally difficult to impress.
Wasn't keeping track of any positive-negative balance in my posts today, but I know I've not been as generous as I sometimes am. It's part of a thing some of the frequent posters are trying to do to encourage people who ask any kind of question here to learn to analyze for themselves rather than just get us to make all their decisions for them whenever they encounter something they don't already know.
As for the vocabulary, don't mind me; just (among other things) that I had a high school English teacher who really pushed us really hard to say more with less words by using exactly the right word, even if it's some word like "obfuscated," and it became habit, and I haven't been out of school for very long. If I feel strongly about a point then precision is part of how I try to make it strongly. My apologies if I mislead anyone into thinking I'm putting this on.
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Follow-up: I'm pretty sure I was more mad about aether being in there than anything else because it's a blatant SP thing. Probably justifiably mad, but maybe not as much as I made of it? Can't tell...I'm a pretty big stickler for good play and the system needs to figure out how to reward it.
Overall the build isn't rubbish so much as it is irritating to me in particular. I still think aether doesn't belong with desperation and that iceberg is preferable to open up the seal slot for something like close def or even spd+3 or spd ploy, but I don't think I was showing that side of the matter so my apologies for the imbalance.
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Nino is my favorite unit in FE history, I so gave her Close Counter and Aether. I think she performs very well considering she's an otherwise squishy mage. I'll admit that the build doesn't make much sense for a defense team, but hopefully the 2.8 update's skillsets will help make those switches cleaner.
I'll admit I went for a Def-refine Gronnowl and Vantage for the B to try and make her either a) OHKO via Vantage + Aether or b) tank and charge up Aether.
Nino's Res is trash compared to most of her peers you would find in Arena, so I think ploys are a bad choice on her. I've been liking the idea of Smokes on her (either Atk or Spd to indirectly improve her tankiness).
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So we are calling bad builds "creative" now?
Sorry bud, but if your character has a great attack stat, a ridiculous speed stat, and a tome that adds your buffs as extra attack, with the drawback of having absolute garbage defenses, not using that isn't creative, its inefficient at best, and dumb at worst.
Besides, i have seen this build a lot of times, its not even new, its just trying to get more scoring for arena.
It should have started with a double rally tho, at least thats somewhat useful.
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Flashing Blade would probably be pretty good for this Nino in the hands of the player, but give this unit Close Defense seal for a defense team and she'll be a handful. A base 65 defensive bulk (more with adjacent allies) is quite the stat line, and a 1-shot isn't a guarantee for all arena teams. Throw her on a tactics team and she'd be an absolute monster.
That said, you could also run CC and her typical Blade tome too, especially if you're relying on the AI.
I'm not sure what all the flack is about with some of these replies. Sure, this Nino may not be 'optimal' as a stand alone, but if you take into consideration all the support she could receive from her teammates, she has a lot of potential to catch people off guard. Run this Nino with Titania (another person who has been maligned for having a 'bad' refine) and some Infantry/Ostia's Pulse and now you're looking at a 3-charge Aether with formidable bulk for a mage.
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Yeah, the Nino wasn't the best Nino I've ever seen, but she definitely had me think about how to deal with her since my Hana couldn't one-shot her off the face of the planet, so I had to have my Donnel tank the first hits, then retaliate thanks to Distant Counter, then have Hana finish her off.
And it also doesn't help that the other two units on the team was an Odin (who's not gonna be killing a Nino anytime soon, xD) and Summer Camilla (with a speed bane) so those two were gonna get murdered, and I wanted to keep my Hana's HP relatively high for the other units on the enemy's team.
Eh, maybe this Nino wasn't the best unit to use for this kind of post, but oh well. Too late for that now, xD.
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This is actually a really good build you found. I'm planning on building my Nino like this--minus Close Counter because I don't want to fodder my spare Takumi--since she makes a surprisingly good Ranged tank with this set-up.
Though, I think that this is going to be much better in the player's hands than it is under AI control.
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How funny to see disagree comments get downvotes.
Not too new either useful except Arena score as everyone knows. A semi-tank close counter with IV of bladetome +spd/-hp, not to mention desperation - player phase skill with Owl tome which requires all teammates to stay adjacent as enemy phase units
And next time Delthia, Katarina, Linde close counter ; Henry, Julia, Lilina bladetome will be considered "creative".
P/s: you see that build amazing, but to find it effective or not, you gotta have her+10 and try first in 5-7 deathless runs arena.
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Not you, but the one who did it, cuz i see all comments with the good purpose of building ideas for topic, neither stupid trolls nor bad talk.
Btw, i didnt downvote you either.
The Owl tome requires as many allies adjacent as possible, its base stat is already lower than normal, just 1 ally doesnt really make this build powerful.
Nino can be playing well Owl-tome close counter, but not with that B/C/Seal skills and IV.
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Ah, just wanted to try and clear it up. Didn't want people thinking that I was "in my feelings" to downvote other people's comments. xD
And true. On this particular unit, I can see the part of having more allies near to be more of a "necessity" than anything, (sorry, was speaking generally in the last post).
I can see how other people would feel like the current build on the unit isn't that great, and I can agree that it could've been done differently to provide a different, and arguably better, result, but, from the way I'm looking at it, it's not too bad.
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We don't see many builds like this cause it's really only used by people who actually care about getting to and staying in Tier 20. It's a very common build for people who just want as many points in Arena as possible, it's not actually all that great by any standard, aside from maybe being able to tank dragon units to avoid the Quick Riposte almost all of them have, but normal Bladetome Nino can often just kill those same dragon units on player phase and suffer the exact same damage anyways, which is all around better.
Don't get me wrong, I like interesting builds, I run atk and spd smoke on my +10 Jaffar with Swift Sparrow instead of LnD so his bulk stays intact, then with +spd IV I have Desperation on him. Sure, he may be better off just running double Savage and Poison Strike to accentuate the effects of his unique dagger, but I prefer running him as an offensive mage assassin with incredible debuff potential instead.
The key though, is that it's actually a unique build in that not many people do it, where as this Nino owl build is as I mentioned earlier a common point-grab build for Arena, and is actually just as cookie-cutter as the Bladetome builds but less effective.
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Is it? Huh, I guess we just have different experiences in Arena. I've seen more Bladetome Nino's than I have Owltome Nino's, but I can see that.
Also, isn't the usage of Jaffar itself "unique" for the fact that not many people use Jaffar, let alone dagger units in general? Running Smokes on dagger units to better their support role is something I've seen here and there, but because dagger units generally aren't used like... ever, it's not really seen much.
Then again, I guess it depends on your own experience, not that of others.
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