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Who to +10?
I'm trying to have a varied collection of 5*+10 units that can fulfill a number of different roles to clear annoying PvE maps. Arena scoring is not a priority. Currently, I have Reinhardt, Lilina, Cherche, Eliwood, and Eirika at +10 with enough feathers to +10 merge another unit.
The units that I can get to or close enough to +10 right now are:
Nowi (5*), Cordelia (5*+1), Olivia, Felicia, Marth (5*), Roy (5*+1), Shigure (5*), Raven (5*), Sheena (5*+1), Titania (5*), Fae (5*+2), Merric (5*), Kagero (5*+1), Priscilla (5*+1), Effie (5*+1), A.Tiki, Cecilia, and Soren (there are a few more as well, but these are the most interesting to me).
I'm currently torn between Nowi, Felicia, and Olivia. Nowi would be a great addition overall I think and I'm leaning towards merging her first. Although, I don't have a dedicated debuffer even though I'm using Eliwood as Reinhardt's support with Chill Res and Ploys, so I think Felicia would fill that role nicely. Sothe seems more interesting to me than Felicia though, but I only have 2 copies of him right now. I'm considering Olivia as well since she's the only F2P dancer, but I have 3 red +10 red units, so I'm not sure if I should prioritise her.
I'm not really considering either Effie nor Sheena as I have both Fallen Robin (M) and Fallen Hardin at +4 with plans on merging more copies of them when they pop up in banners in the future (saving my orbs right now). Also, thoughts on Cordelia vs. Shigure? My Cordelia is fully built with Firesweep Lance, so I wouldn't want to have to bench her for a currently unbuilt Shigure. Oh, and I have a +2 Brave Veronica and I'm not in a hurry to merge a healer to replace her as she's amazing already.
Thanks for your help in advance!
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Marth is great and benefits from increases to all stats.
A +10 Marth with -HP/+Spd and refined weapon
HP 44
Atk 54
Spd 44
Def 36
Res 30
He can tank, give him drive skill/seal and he buffs allies, great counter to dragons.
That being said, I would wait until 3.0 update to see if any units get demoted. You might find someone you really like is no longer 5* exclusive.
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Yeah, Marth seems to be a pretty good all-rounder. He's not very far off in the pecking order as well. I might take your advice and hold back on merges for now though as I'm not in dire need to +10 any more units. My Rein has been burning everything to a crisp since his introduction over a year ago, especially with my recently completed Eliwood as support! xD
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Back in the days I started yolo-merging some Ravens until I +10'd him when he got his prf. Now he is one of my favourite units to use in arena since I recently gave him G Duel Infantry 3. With Galeforce + Heavy/ Flashing Blade Seal he is really fun to use and has the same Arena Scoring as LA!Hector or Zelgius, which is pretty amazing! You could give him Infantry Pulse to benefit more from the +5 HP from G Duel Infantry 3, too.
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Raven is pretty cool and is also one of the first 5* units I got way back. I've been using a +10 version of him (friend's list) in my Rival Domains team. He has galeforce and the refined Basilikos; he practically destroys everything. Really fun indeed, haha! I may build him up in the future.
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I feel pretty confident about what I'm about to recommend.
- don't merge dancers unless they're playing enemy phase (ex: some kind of warding breath glacies on Silvia maybe? She's quite fast and will often double naturally at +10. But it probably won't be enough on abyssal where they have absurd amounts of HP and you really need 50+ atk and sometimes triangle advantage to get through them in two hits). They won't be fighting much and they do their job just fine without merges, so your feathers aren't getting good use.
- Nowi is extremely solid in PvE. I have her +spd -res (waiting for -HP) using lightning breath+spd, 5 merges and summoner supported (so she's like a +10 with 3 extra HP). Hard to double and even harder to take down. She'll often tank hits from 3+ units in one round if a maximum of one is green and none of them is the boss. She also has a tendency to recover her QR even if she gets knocked out of it, or if she can't recover it, at least she's exchanging hits one for one rather than getting doubled like the -spd variant people tend to recommend for arena. The main problem I was thinking about today is that L.Tiki+0 is very similar to +spd Nowi+8 with arguably a better stat spread, a killer C-skill, and a DC weapon without cooldown penalty which enables her to do something like special spiral + flashing blade + aether and still use her A-skill for extra atk and spd. Nowi can do a similar thing using light breath and atk smoke, but I think L.Tiki might have her outclassed.
- Felicia can be powerful with merges, but I wouldn't consider her ideal for PvE. Her atk is low, which can be a massive liability on abyssal maps where one of the challenges is the sheer amount of HP to eat through. I have her at +6 neutral. I got through Hector abyssal using flashing blade glacies, and I was stacking on it hone atk from Nowi, ally support with Nowi, Marth's Falchion +2, and drive atk (1 or 2, I forget). I also got through L.Tiki on infernal with a desperation glacies, just barely.
Generally, if you're already using Veronica, I wouldn't put Felicia on the team also. Use someone with higher atk. Felicia's designed to increase her damage by hitting people where it hurts, but abyssal map units often have 30 mixed bulk and 80HP which basically requires her to have 55-ish atk and activate glacies, which takes a lot of investment.
- more to come in a moment.
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Prelude to my second half: if you read what I wrote at the link below, I explain multiple reasons why I think player phase is going to gain in importance in the next few months. https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/q-a/some-comments-direction-game-and-meta
That said, I tend to believe that tanks, especially mixed tanks or fast tanks (and above all, mixed fast tanks like +spd Nowi) need and benefit from merges more than most other units.
Now for some of the candidates you named:
- Eirika has the potential to be a terror if she's sharing +6 visible buffs with teammates (for +12 to her, because she receives the buffs once directly, and then her weapon copies them for an extra +6), and tactics do have the range that allow you the maneuverability that abyssal maps demand. On +atk, she reaches 62 atk without additional skills.
- Raven is a strong candidate, especially with galeforce potential. Similarly for Cherche. Remember, player phase sledge hammer is a good strategy for abyssal.
- Kagero is outclassed by Sothe at the moment. Unless you're expecting a prf or want to save L&D fodder, I wouldn't choose her over Sothe.
- A.Tiki I don't recommend because she's slow and gets doubled a lot, which is not generally a good thing to begin with because PvE has plenty of mages and she can't wall hard on def if she wants to invest in her res, so she's generally just taking a lot of hits and losing her QR easily.
- Roy isn't quite tanky enough for my liking without close or distant def, and if you ask me, he gets doubled too much and doesn't fire back enough damage. I'm not saying this from experience though.
- Merric: atk is just a little low for abyssal maps. Like Felicia, it's possible to work with it, but I'd sooner just grab a blade tome.
- Cordelia vs Shigure is an interesting discussion. For PvE, I think prefer Cordelia because she will be fast enough with merges and the extra atk is becoming more and more useful
My final notes:
- A lot of units can actually fight very well in PvE with few to no merges. Blade mages, B.Veronica, L.Marth, special spiral Ophelia just to name a few. These are units that I consider to have strong potential in abyssal maps with no merges.
- A couple of people suggested Marth. If you're using him as a healer, I probably wouldn't bother with the merges. Falchion+eff + renewal + dual drives doesn't gain any power between +0 and +10. Same for Titania, except she's a very potent mixed tank if she's not using the prf (or if you're willing to do the obtuse and use CA) so if she switches roles then maybe yes, even in my books.
- I tend not to like to merge more than once on units that use mainly just one stat (ex: non-spd builds of Lilina) or units that gain most of their power from buffs (ex: blade tome mages). Eirika and L.Marth are the exceptions, because they actually can use all 4 stats, especially with the buffs and merges, to become devastating monsters.
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First of all, thank you so much for your time and effort into helping me out. You've helped to clarify a lot of things for me and I'm glad about your views on Nowi. I've read a lot of what people had to say on her ideal IVs are and had come to the conclusion that +Spd is the way. Seeing that you have that view as well helps me even more, haha! I don't think I'll ever be using L!Tiki as I didn't summon on her banner and I'm currently focused on +10 merging units rather than getting new ones. But yeah, she does outclass Nowi and that sucks. Armoured units are really annoying with their inflated stats!
I guess I'll stay away from Felicia and Olivia then and revise my list of who to merge in order of damage potential as it seems that both attack and speed are vital from what you're stating. I also realised that myself recently which is why I've asked for help on who to merge, especially since I don't use mixed tanks often on my teams which is basically what I'm missing, haha!
Anyway, thanks again for your help! My reply isn't as long as yours, but I am very appreciative and grateful nonetheless. I will apply the knowledge you've granted me immediately! :D
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Gratitude doesn't need to be long-winded. You're welcome :)
I really would say think twice before merging Nowi unless you're trying to win with merged units just for the satisfaction of using highly merged units. You can most likely get L.Tiki for 200 or less orbs when she returns and she'll perform as well as a Nowi that you would have to spend probably 240k feathers getting to that level. 220k for the 11 copies promoted to 5*, and 20k feathers for QR or a weapon replacement if you decide to try to rely on natural doubles and go for something like light breath+spd + DC + special spiral + flashing blade + aether.
If you want a mixed fast tank, the main candidates to consider are Eirika (who has a similar issue as Nowi in relation to L.Marth who can also double-dip buffs), M.Corrin, Libra, Fae (who has maybe some weakness in def), (and Nowi, but the issue I already mentioned)
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