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Summer Michaiah is the only unit I know of that could survive this new BS that is Sutr.... Her tome is naturally super effective against armored and of course is magic so it goes right past Bull Stance 4 (bull stance cuz its bulls**t)

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agree. that silver thot could pull it off

She is the least Thot of almost any female character lol.

You pre teens and your obsession with the word Thot

Holy various gods, I've only just looked at his skills and I already hate is existence. Can't bait due to his 1 space movement and 2 space death skills and probably enough bulk Wary Fighter will stop red tomes OHKOing him.

I'd actually have preferred it if Bull Stance 3 was a new skill line giving +4 Def and perma-Guard, like an inverse Steady Breath, rather giving Steady Stance 4 an extra skill (DB4 didn't do anything else).

Actually...summer michaiah is totally capable of one shotting him. She would have to cuz she has one of the slowest speed stats in the game. But yeah she is essentially an anti armor dancer red mage.

She can but I suspect she'll be the only red tome who can. The majority of people playing the game won't have her, me included. I honestly think even Lilina with the ultimate one-shot build will struggle to OHKO him.

Agreed summer micaiah is the only unit, or at least the best one, to fight surtr, but even when I was my summer micaiah against him she fails.

The Only Banner I Got Only 4*...

Red TA mages will also destroy him. For example, my Forblaze +eff (TA, Axebreaker) Lilina +10 will destroy him easy. No problem for me.

Depends on what his HP & Res stat is. If it's low enough, M!Grima could potentially OHKO. Either that or double with Bold Fighter so long as Surtr's speed is the usual armour stat.

Also, you guys are looking at this wrong. 20 Damage to your unit CAN be a good thing. Do you know what happens when a DC, Atk/Res, Ares does when SAFELY hit into Vantage range? I'm going to be abusing the hell out of his weapon when he comes into the Arena.

His HP is 50 shows it in the trailer, res will most likely be around 30 like it is on the story

I don't think it's only that, any character that uses Brazens will greatly benefit from getting hit from the effect on their weapon, take Alfonse for example, the weakeness of his triple Brazen build is that untill he gets in the hp range needed he has 3 dead effects and Surtr will easily activate that, character with Vantage can use that at their advantage

he also have peshkatz.
so he can nullify 1 of your brazen.
with above 40 def, wary fighter and 50HP, I dont think alfonse can 1 shot him.
even +atk DC vantage ares only have about 82 damage on him, which leave him with 8 HP.
+atk DC vantage reinhardt can't even do much damage to him.
mages will most likely go down if they're dumb enough to try to take the 20 damage from his weapon, he only need to do like 20 damage, then most mage will actually dead, since most mage don't even have 40 HP.
he also can put hardy bearing for vantage/desperation.

but well, he is an easy prey for micaiah though.

After the enemy phase there is the player phase, and remember that Alfonse is used only when he is a bonus hero so him losing 20hp out of his 60something is not a problem, is just a plus as his Brazen activate in this way.
For arena assault I have many reds with Axe breaker so I can easily player phase him then Reposition or use a dancer, so no problem there, the only problem I can see is in TT where I autobattle and when he appears he may kill some of my units

yeah, that means you cannot ORKO him, which leave you to the powerful wings of mercy pivot, and I dont think your "Player Phase" with the same unit will ever come if that's the case.

I believe it's not a wise idea to try to bait him with melee unit.
as you said, PP him with axebreaker then toss your unit away is the best method to eliminate him.
and then you have micaiah, the armor/cav eraser.

I am so glad I got her and put her on my main team,because what the hell is that shit? 20 damage from his weapon,plus a debuff on eneimes and buf for himself?!The hell?!

I plan on using this for the Paralogue version anyway.

I have seen you speaking about Vantage builds but we all know people will be using Hardy Bearing seal on Surtr right?

Axebreaker Bartre and Frederick was always good with default weapon.

And as another has pointed out, a well-built Lilina will OHKO him.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Ophelia could OHKO him with a blazing AoE. 41 base atk on a boon + 14 on tome + 5 on L&D + 6 on atk wave = 66. If he has 40 res, which I doubt he will, 39 damage on the AoE + 13 or more (if she has a drive) on the first hit = 52, which might be enough. And there's still the option to support with res ploy on someone like Felicia.

Generally, AoE specials should do pretty well against him. I have a budget blazing wind build on Karla that will rip through him if she's in wrath range. Karla has 55 atk and definitely enough speed to get +7 damage. On the AoE, assume he has 45 def, so 15+7+10 (wrath) damage followed by 21+7 damage on the in-combat hit. 22+28=50 and I can still buff her atk.

And of course, can always chip him with pain+ savage blow

Also, null follow-up is a thing. I've recommended it on fast tanks, and it would work well here even if you can't one-round. Someone can follow up.

If you happen to have bold fighter Zelgius that might work. Black luna probably doesn't activate, but you might hit hard enough without it

And you can make micaiah a better surtr killer by removing dance and have another dancer abled to dance her so she can get two hits off on surtr, which will probably guarantee the kill.