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Unit debate thread

The thread you've all been waiting for! A thread where you can freely rant about and debate the units you don't like!
(Please don't demean anyone for their disliked units, I just thought everyone needs somewhere to rant about their least favorite characters. Seriously, don't. If it gets nasty, I will delete this post in a heartbeat.)

Asked by assix9 months 3 weeks ago
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I.....dont like Oscar in Heroes. He's fine and has a decent skillset, don't get me wrong! But in-game he was more skill, speed and sometimes defense based over offense. Feels like we could have used another tanky cav instead of another high attack darter. Felt like he was a missed opportunity. If Sain and Kent from Blazing Sword ever join, Sain won't be that unique from Oscar.

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I actually fully built him despite never using him in FEH because he was so legendary in Sacred Stones for me. He has a refined slaying sword with defence refinement.

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I can already foretell this being deleted in about 20 minutes. Honestly the only characters I dislike are bad pitty breakers. (Cain, Ogma, Peri, Jakob, Rebecca, etc) I don't really dislike anyone when it comes to fighting them.

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I hate Hector because I can never pull him

Nah but seriously though, I really don't have a fondness for Brave Lucina. Maybe I didn't build her properly or put her with the right team mates, but it feels like ever since I got Nowi, and now, Hardin, she's just sitting around, always making me consider foddering her off for her Aether.

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Give her Drive Def for S and pair her with L.Ike. This comp is absurdly op. My team of L.Ike, B. Lucina, and NY. Asura can solo almost all chain battles and GHB without healer, and they are not super merged.

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I think I want to post a little rant too: Camilla.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really care about the fanservice aspect as long as it doesn't detract from the character or the experience. But, Camilla's whole personality is like some bad MILF fantasy parody. Every other sentence out of her mouth is "I'll protect you Corrin" or "My darling Corrin, I love you." I get that her supports go into why, but for the love of God, Camilla, can you tone it down a bit? In the main campaign, she does literally nothing except fawn over Corrin, and I really hated her until I read her supports.
In Heroes, she is really underwhelming. She's not that fantastic, and her old niche of being a flying DC axe unit in the same vein as Titainia has been completely obsoleted by Myrrh. In Fates, she was literally Haar as a girl with a huge chest. That's how good she was, and she really got the short end of the stick in Heroes, giving me no reason to like her more.

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Shoutout to my boy Haar, who's probably napping somewhere in the new Heroes queue.

That's actually a pretty apt comparison for her. She was one of my best conquest units, and I've always had a fondness for wvyern riders, but in Heroes she's both outclassed by Cherche, Minerva and Michalis, and a bit annoying as that personality trait is dialed up. Oh well....

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Camilla (and a lot of other fates characters) suffered a lot from fates horrendous writing direction, a lot of them suffered from Flanderization (taking a trait and over exaggerating to hell and make the character out of that). As for Heroes Camilla, she's really lackluster, needs a LOT of work put into her to be good and even then pale in comparison to other wyverns like Minerva, Michalis and Cherche.

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I expected a dislike on mine, surprised your comment got one.
Really, all I wanted was some actual discussion, not just a shitstorm of dislikes.

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At least her seasonal versions are good. I've never used her normal form but I love her magic nuke and speedy/bulky sword setups. I liked her in Fates but I do agree that she has become too much about being seductive and obsessed with Corrin here and in Warriors.

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No, there's no need to thank me (citizen) (I sound like Arthur lol). I needed to make this post and finish my rant, and I just decided to have a little fun with it.

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Well it also brought some positivity back on the boards. Shade was throwing a shitload of shade on my post and was killing the positive vibe, and you resurrected the vibe.

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Well, when I made this post, I fully expected it to be a mix of hatred and salt, but I was pleasantly surprised. Good on you, though, for not continuing that (on your other thread).

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As far as units I don't like, I think I'd give that distinction to Brave Lyn and that's only because I got so sick of seeing her in EVERY arena match. I really like Lyn as a character and am looking forward to playing Blazing Sword as soon as I get a break :D

Other than that, there aren't any units I don't like, whether it be for gameplay reasons or specific character reasons.

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by TG15 10 months ago

As far as actual in-game characters, I don’t have any I absolutely despise, just ones I refuse to use, like Azama. I’m way too offensive minded to use him in fates.

As for FEH, I cannot stand Camilla. She was really good in fates as far as using her went. But Heroes watered her skills down, and her iterations are trying to play to the idea of sex sells. Not a fan of that concept. Remake characters because they are good, not because they have noticeably large tits. Just saying.

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Can I add one more? Ayra. She is waaaaay too well built in her base-kit compared to the rest of the game. No red before or since is as strong as she is. Beatable? Very. It's just kind of a principal thing of how every sword unit now is instantly compared to Ayra.

The refinery has evened the playing field greatly, but some part of me will just always shake my head over seeing a new unit come out and the 1st comments being: "Ayra is still better."

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Ayra set the bar very high for reds. She was the first unit to introduce the flashing blade concept, and her special is absolutely insane.

In defense of you saying people compare every unit to her, it would make sense. You want to compare to the best, and Ayra is arguably the best sword infantry available.

She’s beatable, but she’s probably one of the hardest to beat with the right build.

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Oh I agree. Comparisons are inevitable. It's moreso the dismissals instead that bug me. Not everyone has to be the best unit to be good or have a niche.

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Well, every useable unit does have some type of niche they can fulfill. Take Clive for instance. Yes, he’s not that great, but with TA lancebreaker, he can destroy reds and decimate lance users. If they don’t have a niche to fulfill, then they either need to find one or become SI. I want to use units, not let them collect dust. Lol

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She set the bar way too high, in my opinion. She straight outclasses a huge chunk of infantry swords and set a precedent where newer infantry sword units will have to be completely insane in order to not fall into the category of being a "not-Ayra."

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While I do agree with Ayra’s insane OP levels, AA gives all units a chance to shine. Lucina/MM are mainstays because of their sword. As are many other swords I have.

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Yeah, Ayra's release made me super sad because I felt like Lucina and a lot of other sword units got power crept to oblivion. I kind of like seeing her and Mia in arena at their max potential so my Lucina can cross blades with them.

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The common Lightning Breath dragons (A!Tiki, Nowi, Corrin, Fae). Because people always use the same enemy phase shit on them and it doesn't work on arena defense. It makes arena easy and boring, and I can't wait for the day when I can start supermerging to crawl out of the T19.5 hell and can start facing whale builds that are actually diverse and fun.

Also if any character has several tap quotes about the same thing, I find it hard to use them. Hearing Cain, Fir, and Hana just talk about training like 90% of the time I tap on them is really offputting.

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Lyn, Linde, basically every character from Fire Emblem: Fates, with a few exceptions, especially the child units. I also bear a grudge against units that are 5*-locked despite having no outstanding qualities that justify it, though, that's probably more of a problem with the game than anything else. Other than that, I'm also not really into most of the seasonals, but it's not like I've got to pull for them, and they're usually fairly decent units to the point where I can turn a blind eye. (Looking at you, PA/NY!Azura.)

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Brave Lyn. I like Lyn as a character, but the fact that B!Lyn was built to be OP (statewise and with her skills) AND given for free irritates me. I get that she was made to counter the Bladetomes/sword DC thing that was going on for some time, but you don't shift an exclusive meta by creating another exclusive meta...There was a time where every team I ran into was B!Lyn/Reinhardt/randomswordcavalierbutoftenXander/Dancer. This has changed now because I stepped up in BST, but the fact that I still have to bring along five dedicated counters in AA shows that she was a mistake.
You may say that Reinhardt was a similar meta defining ranged cavalry release, and you would be right, but Reinhardt is easy to counter with his average bulk (his defensive stats are not that bad but he gets doubled by everyone. So yeah...)

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