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Two bladehorse can't work? Need advices to build my horse emblem

This might be a long post but I want to get as much answer to finally get my mind clear.

I plan on build a full horse emblem whenever Xander GHB will return and my team would sound like this :
Xander 5* TA-QR-Hone (hard green meta counter)
Camus 5* Fury-Vantage-Goad/Hone? (All-out physical front lane)
Olwen 5*+1 LnD2/Fury3?-Desp-Fortify (All-out Nuker)
Cecilia 4*+3 atm ???-(probably G tomebreaker)-Fortify/Hone? (Blue-green magical soak, occasional nuke)

They are all neutral IV and the main objective of this post is to get an answer to all these "?" aswell as Olwen's and Cecilia's weapons.

Btw this team is not meant to be played in arena offense atm (maybe later if I'd get Cecilia 4+10) so I don't really care about BST. I'll use it to beat chain maps and infernal GHBs easier, and probably for arena defense too, although my team would be still based on arena threats to be as good as possible.

So about the weapon, it would be logically blade olwen and raven cecilia, but the thing is I feel like, even as a support/niche unit, raven tome is "bad" compared to blade tome in horse emblem.
I'll explain why : all raven do is to grant weapon advantage against colorless foes (so bows, as poison daggers and healers won't do anything) it's more of a defensive purpose because if we initiate with blade they'll get OHKO anyway, but Xander is already a great physical wall against them and Camus can't be quad, so they are both good responses; and olwen would nuke them anyway. So this colorless advantage is quite irrelevant imo. Plus the massive 30 bonus attack from gronnblade would OHKO anything non-red (G tomebreaker helps her for Julia match up and most axes have low res) so there is no point taking raven instead of blade. Now for Cecilia A slot I often see DB recommended but I feel like 6 more atk on initiation won't change a lot, plus she won't be nuking as much as Olwen so I thought maybe TA could fill the slot well (yeah, blade + TA)
With TA she could still fill the role of blue soak without relying on fortify cav to tank +atk DB cav buffed moonpulse reinhardt or full buffed blade tome user, -6 atk won't change any green match up, and she won't be dealing with reds anyway (as there are 2 blues)
What do you guys think?

However when I read the gamepress guide of cavalry team they said 2 blade tome isn't recommended because the 2 blades won't be often full buffed, and they had a point, so I was wondering if quad olwen was better than blade olwen if they would rely on a single hone cav buff? And btw which is better between LnD 2 and Fury 3? (LnD 3 is way too expensive for a +1 in stats and I'm F2p)
Oh and btw I'd use regular blarblade and gronnblade atm (maybe I'll upgrade them if I'd ever use them in arena offense)

Now for C slots I think Hone on Xander and Fortify on Olwen is a no brainer to buff Cecilia. For the others I found 3 possibilities (the order is xander/olwen/camus/cecilia) :

Hone/Fortify/Hone/Fortify (might be ideal for 2 blades)
Hone/Fortify/Goad/Hone (might be ideal for Quad)
Hone/Fortify/Goad/Fortify (work with both but both mages can't be fully buffed)

Well that's it, and as I said any advice or any thoughts would be good!

Asked by ImSoRyz1 year 5 months ago

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You have done a ton of analysis yourself so I don't know that I have much to add. But I'll try...

The thing is that horse emblem teams aren't monolithic. You can run Blade/Blade just fine if you have strong enemy phase units - like Xander and Camus - in your other slots. This will be great on some maps and in some events - like certain GHBs and arena offense - not as good in others like TT and CC.

Alternatively, my main horse emblem team is Eliwood, Ursula, Cecilia, and a healer - Raven with TA is very important to mitigate my weakness to ranged physical attackers. I could have used Xander or Camus, I decided not to and have an incredible player phase with a weak enemy phase...except for Raven.

I wouldn't put LnD on a horse emblem team. I stack Fury with Horse Buffs to get stats in general as high as possible. But I also run a healer. For Olwen, I'd go with swift sparrow for a quad....some maps won't let you reposition so why glass cannon if you'd have to. I run Hone on my healer....you don't use one so I'd put it on a wall. I have Fortify on both nukes and Goad on the Raven/ TA. I think buff coverage is more important than the potential for all horse buffs to be up...but again this really depends on the map. Aganist most enemies you don't need to maxmize blade damage, it's that unbalanced with horse buffs...but to each their own. In my experience, Cecilia really needs TA to ensure her own survival even more than offense - it's hard for her to exchange blows.

Thanks for your response! There sure is a lot of things going on in my head lol

Maybe I'll reformulate my others main questions :
- Is Quad thunder better than Blarblade assuming you get only get one cav buff?
- Which is better for both builds between LnD 2 and Fury 3? (Unfortunately I don't have any swift sparrow, it's way too rare)
- Is Blade + TA a good idea to make cecilia a blue mage killer while not take out her capacity to nuke?
- Which of the three combinations of buffs do you prefer? (I realized I could also put Hone/Fortify/Goad/Goad to maximise the chances of olwen quadding)

I do see our cav team is quite different as I already have 2 physical walls that are quite good in enemy phase so I think raven is quite useless on my cecilia

Quad vs Blade: It's situational. I need to run some calcs to answer with accuracy and I'm at the beach so I can't... But my gut impulse is that it is better for low res targets and worse for high res targets. Granted, if you do quad you'll be triggering Luna or Moonbow.

Best A Slot: I'd definitely go with Fury. Darting Blow might be another option...less power but help ensure quad-hits.

TA and Blade: You should be destroying most targets with a buffed blade tome. So the big advantage of TA here would be defensive and I think Cecilia needs it. She doesn't mage duel well without TA in my opinion.

Buff Combination: I'd probably go all in with Fortify/Fortify/Hone/Hone. It's extreme but it gives the best chance of buffed both blade tomes. Because I run - basically - two supports I can get away with goad. For my flier team I don't have hone so I'm going with stacked goads and one fortify - will see how that turns out.

I have to disagree on TA plus blade for Cecilia. If she's buffed, she can tank blue mages just fine. It would also dramatically reduce your ability to use her to nuke reds in a pinch. Presumably you will cover reds with another unit but having her capable of doing it in a pinch helps cover up misplays.

I have tried a few things on my 4*+3 and have liked Darting Blow the best by far.

That's fair. I guess my experiences have mostly been when she's partially or not buffed. In those circumstances I'd still like to count on a unit with color advantage to at least check in a duel. Without TA, I've seen Cecilia go down to the likes of Linde. I don't like that - I want to be able to count on her to counter/check the majority of blue mages even in akward situations when horse buffs aren't completely in place. If I run into trouble with Reds, I'd rather have my Red pinch hit than rely on Cecilia.

Sidenote that this is not the case on my infantry team, I'm happy to use Nino as an indiscriminate nuke. I just want Cecilia to deliver as an anti-blue...especially in the current meta...and feel that she needs TA to do so. Nino, on the other hand, has almost always delivered for me.

========================================== This is generally all true here.
Blade Tombs are very powerfully abused weapons that are able to nearly cut out the whole cast (assuming they can double). Blade Tombs can be exceptional on enemy turns as well versus other magical users if the blade user is of the same type or at an advantage because with horse buffs it's unlikely for speedy blade blade users with 40 res to be taken out in a single neutral hit dealing 75 damage (unless they are blade user themselves).
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TA & Raven provides an effective counter to blades giving you the edge and ability to bait & counter whenever attacked. TA & Raven shuts out not only colorless but the weakest type at a disadvantage. (For example some people including myself run TA on Nowi or Xander for Nowi to better tank reds including lords, and for Xander to take less damage from green mages).
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Kaihaku is right. Nearly always fury is superior to L&D on horse teams due to that nature of horse buffs allowing +9 in every field not including goad/wards.
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hope this answers the question and adds on to the reply above, if not and a started bumbling off sorry about that :P

You really like tombs! ^^