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Tier list for refines - Coffee version

In honor of super smash, I kinda felt like making a tier list.

So I'm gonna do it for refines.
This is gonna be a pretty casual tier list, so feel free to disagree.

I'm going to take in account how strong the user is with them, how much it boosted the user and simply how much of a difference it makes between a refined weapon and a normal weapon. (Like how Eckesacks isn't much better than a Barrier blade, despite it being fine in isolation)

Also, I take the posibilities of the weapon as a whole, not just the refine itself. Which is why Alfonse's isn't bottom tier.

And mind that I haven't tested all of em, especially how hard it is to set up the whitewing effect.

S: (almost) OP
Alm - Saber
Celica*
Catria - Est

A: Amazing
Chrom - Lucina - Marth - Ogma - Marth Masked
Lilina
Y!Tiki - A!Tiki
Ephraim - Tana
Odin - Linde*
Raven - Linus
Jaffar

B: Solid
Alfonse - Caeda - M!Corrin - Eirika - Eldigan - Fir - Karel - Lyn - Palla - Roy - Lloyd
Katarina - Sanaki*
Florina - Sharena - Clair - Nephenee
M!Robin
Bartre
Merric - F!Robin
Felicia

C: Unremarkable, but still useful
Lon'qu - Navarre
Leo
Hinoka - Shanna
Camilla - Cherche - Minerva - Michalis - Titania
Soren
Innes - Jeorge

D: Kinda meh
Zephiel

E: Easy skip
Takumi

The I don't know tier:
Anna*

*=Edit

Asked by Sir of Coffee2 days 23 hours ago
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I have so much of that gold nugget stuff, like 1000+ and struggle to find units to give it to, so my dust usage is quite minimal.
How do you find ways to get rid of so much of it?
By the way Alfonse's refine makes him a total beast with a brazen set, so I hope you haven't undervalued him because you can't merge him.

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Like I said, I have not tried out all of em.
Still, I usually use up all my dew.

I'd say B list characters are strong, Alfonse is indeed very strong. But his stats and merge situation keeps him from going higher. Brazen atk/def isn't enough to take him out in my mind

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Well, if there's anything I'm good at, it's promoting way too many units to 5*.

Though I was burning through a stockpile of units with unrefined normal weapons, I now too have trouble to find ones to use the stones on.

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by Seeker 2 days 22 hours ago

I won't go through all my differences, but there are a few I want to bring up.

Sanaki I think is a B. She hits almost as hard as Lilina, and she has significantly better res.

Saber is definitely not an S. If he were faster, maybe.

Catria and Est are not S. They're really good, but the effect is no good in AR where they are perhaps needed most.

Celica I think should be S. That's so much firepower.

Roy should be better than B.

Linde is better than B. With +spd is at, what, 55/44? With swift sparrow she's on a level with Ishtar.

Anna I think is better than you give her credit for due to sorcery blade, blue flame, and bond seals. If it weren't for those three I would say yes it's not very good, but if she can access those three I think she pulls off some interesting stuff.

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Most of whom you bring up are indeed units I wasn't sure about.

Sanaki might be my bias agaist hard to merge units speaking. She does have the restriction of fliers and no chill, but the res and enemy phase do make up for that.

About Saber, do mind this isn't a pure tierlist looking at the units. Otherwise Zelphiel would be near the top.
Saber might overall be an A/B+ tier unit, but I feel the refine itself deserves the recognition I give it.
The power of a unit is still a factor, just not the only one.

Celica and Linde are also two I was on the edge of pushing above. Maybe I should.

Anna (and Takumi) might be victims of the 'haven't really tried' syndrome which makes a tier list like this hard to make.
Innes would have been affected as well, had I not used him. His refine is fine but it's hardly groundbreaking, he can't use it to chip on the level of staffs or Jaffar.

Edit: altered it a little bit

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Zephiel refine s " didnt aged well", but none Zelgius survived to tell stories against Reinhardt, even with seals to reduce 80% damage!

Well, Btws, however, while you dont have DC, you only have to complain.

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She's the shop lady man, the bad guys can't catch her.
Sadly, but honestly, there was a moment over Christmas, when Celicia spoke off some line about 'Anna and Christmas gifts' that I started tapping randomly across the screen hoping to find her shop. Stuck in the past I guess.

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I feel like Navarre should be brought up at least one. That's not bias speaking, that Special cooldown is absolutely remarkable. Combine it with Special Spiral and he can dish out Lunas or Dragon Gazes all day. It's actually insane. This is specifically why I happily await a Desperation seal.

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Saber is good but not OP, DC is very overrated nowadays. Surtr is the classic example: no DC but a beast.
Navarre should be A Tier. With Quickened Pulse (or an Infantry Pulse from an ally) and Special Spiral it starts the battle with Growing Wind fully prepared and after triggering it, it will go to 0 again no matter what ready to fire it again. Really useful for multiple maps modes like squad assault and tempest trials, or grand conquest, but still very strong in other modes.

Anna's refine is weird. It's certainly kinda weak but it has its uses: with that refine, you can easily proc the Bond skills which are very good. Also, we just got Atk/Def Bond 3 as a seal, and the NY Tempest Trials will give Atk/Spd Bond 3 as a seal, so it certainly becomes better and better. The refine makes Anna a better unit but not THAT strong, still useful if you want to use her.

Merric's refine makes him the only mage avaiable at 3-4* with a tome that grants CD -1 so far. In addition, it gets effectiveness to fliers which is very useful. There are a lot of high defense fliers that you can't take down with a bow for example. Also, he can pull off the same AoE thing as Navarre but it needs 2 Infantry Pulses and a Quickened Pulse. Kinda costly but it can be pulled off, and it's good because it's avaiable at low rarity.

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by Lain 2 days 19 hours ago

>S:(almost) OP
Alm

Thanks Mr.Coffee, now you blew it.
IS knows now that he's broken and that's a even bigger reason to don't put him on a banner.
AH MR.COFFEE IS ONE OF THEM!

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Roy is being undersold I think. When you count how good the refine is you should count how good the refine is specifically because of how much better it made them. Roy was one of the worst characters in the game and his refine was really strong. QR5, Dragon Effectiveness, Bracing Stance is a bit loaded for a refine. It made him unusable to good. So either top of A or S.

Celica has an ok refine but it wasn't that much better than what she was. I think Lilina got it much better because Chill Res + DB3 > Brazen Atk/Spd.

Innes much higher, especially over Jeorge. He's immune to magic that's nothing to scoff at. Probably middle or top of B.

The rest I think is pretty correct

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Roy's on the fence. He might indeed deserve higher, since he can use the guard+Qr combo while getting stats from his weapon and seal.
That and the anti-dragon effect.

Chill res isn't always on the target you want, and remember that Celica gains the 5 atk/spd from her base weapon even below 100% hp.
Nobody desperation murders like Celica.

Innes.. I dunno
I mean, he's an amazing Archer to be sure and the refine isn't aweful.
But he often lacks the speed to make use out of it, unless he drops his main quality of baiting mages.
I have been looking for builds that make full use out of the Nidhogg, but it seems to be just not impressive enough.

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Im gonna show you on Innes. As for Lilina, generally it does because she oneshots the one who isnt Chill Res'd anyway. And Celica's base tome already had that effect so I'm not sure where to put her on that. She was already good before the refine

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