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Tier list changes you think are valid?

Inb4 someone get salty and someone else tells them the unit they like sucks.

So, tier lists are highly subjective, and while that is true, I feel like Gamepress's is one of the best (don't go on the FEH wiki's, that one is a mess, they have EST as a S tier unit). However, I feel there are some units who are misplaced. I have been advocating for Sothe to get moved up FOREVER. He is soooooo good. He is not only a better offensive unit than PA!Olivia (who is rated higher), he also has versatility with his buffs and debuffs helping his whole team, vs. helping only one unit in the case of a dancer. The ability to dance does not instantly make a unit good, and I think Sothe (and Felicia may deserve the move up too) should be in Tier 2 alongside Olivia.

Are there any units you guys think are misplaced?

EDIT: I also think Grima should be moved down, he is a great unit, but Myrrh is better imo. Why? Grima has restricted movement unless on Armor Emblem or using the seal. Myrrh also has the ability to help out a dragon emblem team much more than Grima, boasting Hone Dragons in addition to the fact that she can run Guidance. Myrrh can prevent doubles w/o wasting B-slot, and can run DC in her A-slot to preserve her legendary breath. Finally, Myrrh has the ability to negate her weakness to bows without giving up the valuable a-slot, making her a fantastic mixed tank who is almost unparalleled by her competition unless they have high merges and super high SI (looking at you, Ty). Grima also faces strict competition for a team slot from Bara Hector, while Myrrh almost instantly slots into a flier emblem.

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Sheena and w.lissa should be 6 stars... just saying, they can tank more stuff than anyone else can!

Yeah, but they're armor units so can't run away when they really need to :/

That's why I don't like armored units as much, I haven't gotten an armored mage (gee thanks VaLyntine) and I have yet to take the time to fully train my Zelgius, but I like BK and Amelia because they're fast.

The reason why this tierlist is good is that there are many people's input into it, rather than Gamepedia, which is run by one person (who's a nut for winged fliers, sick loli-loving pervert XD)

well i play them with armor march and reposition and most of the time i dont run away... but just repo and chase opponent down. Although armor is expensive since all mine use dc.

Sheena should be moved up to tier one, but a prf weapon and better offenses keep both Hectors ranked higher.

Yes Hector does more damage and better weapon, however he is also easier killed by green magic than sheena. Hectorio is offensive and sheena is defensive.

Yep, which, considering how many options for a res tank (VaLyntine, Thotja), physical tank (Effie, BK/Zelgius), or a mixed tank (Hardin) armor emblem has, great offenses instantly shoot an armor up the tier list.

As long as they don't run Wary Fighter they are classic ORKOs to me.

Considering that Caeda still has an explanation pre-update for her Wing Sword, it is heavily outdated in places.

Caeda has more than earned her spot in the upper echelons of the tier list. A well built Caeda has the potential to replace Elincia in flier emblem.

Ye nowadays id rather use caeda that elincia most times. Despite the fact that i havent felt the need to update her weapon.

Like shes so versatile and i feel elincia is more of a one trick pony. Like....thanks to her spd i sometimes even give her iotes shield.

Caeda fills the role of 'GHB/BHB tank' while Elincia needs Hit and Run or Flyzura to dance her out of danger.

Yet NY!Camilla has great overall spread, and H!Nowi is a flying tome unit. Honestly, Emblem teams are just whatever works for a certain person, whatever's available, and whatever you like.

Take my choice of L'Arachel in Horse Emblem, in my opinion she's better than Rein because of her durability, where Rein needs to be Repo'ed out of danger, L'Arachel can hang in there and take one hit at very least.

Especially with the fact that Caeda has more merge potential.

Sothe is really underated give him a dancer and he wreaks everything

That's how I feel about raven. The guy one shots everything with his new weapon refine

Totally agree with Sothe btw. The guy is a monster

Eh, I don't have many complaints.

I feel that Lucina should be moved down to 2 with the other falchion users, Ninian to 3 (Fights for a blue spot and has extra dragon weakness that doesn't help much, dragons by nature are enemy phase units so giving one of them a second turn doesn't help as much as say... giving Reinhardt or Mia a second turn) Ephraim to 2 (strong unit but very easy to kill with low spd and res crippling him, struggling identity of support vs offensive) Reinhardt up to 1* (this guy can kill the 1* tier threats of opposite color with minimal setup) and Amelia down to 2 (Nice stats, but lack of a prf weapon is holding her back compared to other axes now). These are just the units I own that I would change.

"Doesn't have many complaints"
*Lists 5*

In all seriousness, Lucina has become super good with her refine, even Masked Marth is viable now. Also, Alm is a Falchion also in tier 1, but his refine is leaps and bound above the others.
Ninian has dancer utility, which the person making the tier lists seems to think automatically makes the unit top tier.
I don't get why Ephraim is tier one, if AI controlled, he's garbage, but I suppose in the hands of a player he's pretty good? I don't know, all I know is that it's funny to see him "on top" (insert winky face) of Tana, who I always support with him in FE8.
Reinhardt gets annihilated by any green with good res, and those have become very common recently.
Don't sell Amelia short, she is fantastic with DC, and has stellar offenses uncommon of armors, only those such as Zelgius, Winter Robin, BK, and VaLyntine can compare.

If even Reinhardt, himself, can only be S tier and not SS tier at most - Then no blue mage will ever be unless they make someone else with a somehow more op spell.

Rein will never be SS because he's so good that, honestly, all the new Green units we get are good in some way, generally the Greens have a higher rate of being good when released than any of the other colors.

Grima
LA!Hector
Myrrh
Flyzura
W!Lissa
W!Chrom
Dorcas
H!Henry

That's the last 5 months, ALL the new greens. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE OF THEM. Is amazing in their own right, and perfectly able to deal with Rein.

Hmm I like that list. My Soleil can also kill every single of those greens before getting hit! huhuhuhu i likey.

lol yeah, these days Reds are pretty valuable, especially those with more Res to take on Myrrh and Grima.

IMO LA Hector is stronger than both Myrrh or Grima.

Fair enough. He was a champ, even though mine is -Atk, on the Infernal Navarre Armor Team challenge, being able to open the battle by OHKO'ing the two ninjas with retaliation Glimmer (with a Hone Armor I believe) but I don't have the other two so I can't judge.

But from what I've seen, I think Myrrh is the best because of her prf, as in, take 100 situations, and she'll come out alive the most times.

No, I think Myrrh outshines both, primarily because of her ability to negate weakness to bows w/o wasting a-slot, mobility, and ability to negate doubles without giving up b-slot.

Looks at all the blue threats we've gotten lately:
VaLyntine
Hardin
Micaiah
LA!Eliwood
Legendary Ephraim
Female Morgan
L'arachel
Winter Robin
Looks like Soliel is an endangered species, lol

Yeah, but my point is that all the Greens have a niche, but just have straight-up amazing raw stat distribution, where:

VaLyntine and Hardin have poor Atk
Micaiah and F!Morgan have poor Spd/Def
L!Ephraim has low Res/Spd
L'Arachel has underwhelming Spd and poor Def
Winter Robin is pretty balanced, not gonna lie XD

But that's me being pretty picky of course. My point is just that Greens seem to just have that "NO WAY! INSANE NEW UNIT!" kinda thing, like EVERYONE and their mother wanted LA!Hector, Grima, and Myrrh.

Yeah, green has quickly become the best color in the current meta. Which makes me happy, because I have Dorcas, Bara Hector, and Myrrh, but also because my normal Celica has become all the better now.
EDIT: Hardin's attack isn't that bad. He reaches 51 with a boon, which is solid enough before buffs.

But my Reinhardt is +atk +10 with death blow and heavy blade & glimmer, mine can kill the new Hector and Dorcas on occasion with hone calvary, same with flyzura.

When I used to have goad calvary on my team or whenever I have drive attack, he is able to kill Winter Chrom too.

But yeah, everyone else on that list rips him a new asshole - Although, that's because they're all green units with good distributions of res and hp, so what do you expect?

My point being, is that Rein is good, but can't be that 'perfect tier' because of his poor Enemy Phase, how many counters there are, and other nitpicky things.

I'm just explaining WHY he is where he is, not saying I agree with it.

No, I know, but I have screenshots of him killing a W!Chrom, almost W! Lissa, the new Hector, the old Hector, Flyzura, Dorcas, Halloween Henry, and Grima all 40+ - I can post them if you want

and I see what you mean by poor enemy phase, kind of. Like when I'm playing him, it is unfortunate. Although, when I see another Reinhardt, I shit myself.

I mean if he doesn't kill with Dire Thunder outright, unlikely with that setup and +10, he will get slaughtered on enemy phase.
As I get to higher tiers in arena, I mostly just skip horse emblem entirely, unless I'm in AA, where I don't have a choice. They just score way too low to make it worth the trouble. Armor emblem is where it's at for arena runs.

I also prefer running into armor emblem teams for the arena because not only do they give more points, but I also find them less threatening? Once you manage to separate them, you don't have to worry about movement as much.

I noticed that too. Started happening right around the time that B!Ike showed up, who is literally designed to tank Rein.

Thank you!

I think it basically goes for ALL ranged mages....like they can ALL be shut DOWN by a good res tank *cough* wrys *cough*

Sothe is actually disgusting. Almost no matter who I send in to bait him, he does an absolutely ridiculous amount of damage, and I can't even send out my +Def -Res Steady Breath Nowi without being afraid of taking near-fatal damage. Truly disgusting. Of course he's super frail, but still.

Once again, i just send out my sheena on him. I send her out against just about every range damager.

Especially with a new Carrot to play with (looking at Kagero), let's put it this way. Sothe has a Lethal Carrot and is with two units with Infantry Pulse. Sothe will initially have 51 Atk with an Atk boon and with a carrot, and 56 with LnD3, without merges (that's 60 with +10) and buffs. Give him Draconic Aura and Quickened Pulse, and he will charge his special right away. He will deal 82 damage on the first unit he strikes. Lethal indeed.

People are still severely underestimating dagger weapons just cause of their low might still. List should be updated to include them.

Also, Shigure should be moved down from Tier 2 imo. I know that Dance is a coveted support skill, but other dancers there are much better, Ex: Inigo can at least check both B!Lyn and Reinhardt with one build quite easily, P!Azura with her legendary weapon buff, P!Olivia having access to Poison Dagger, etc.

Shigure is so bad. He has no offenses, so all he can do is dance. It's better to bring an unmerged Olivia to battle than use him.

Hell, at least normal Olivia can use a refined Armorsmasher to check armored greens, or even a Slaying Edge to do some decent damage. Shigure is literally outclassed by every other dancer. Don’t really see a need to have him unless you really care about filling out the Catalog.

Once I get a +Atk Shigure, y'all are getting a Shigure with Death Blow 3, Blarblade+, Geyser Dance 2, Hone Atk, and Hone Spd

Full 4 stat rally and a bladetome. Hah, who's pitiful now? XD

Shigure :P

neat idea but have you considered running defiant attack and escape route? :o with a bladetome, my shigure and summer leo can do some work anywhere across the map

Dude, Defiant skills were out of the meta a loooooong time ago. Brazen skills are 100 times better. Better options are DB3, Swift Sparrow, LnD...