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Is there any reason to run Zephiel over BK?

He does have more Def & Res as well as 6 (!) more HP which could justify running the all-new Panic Ploy 1 Seal. Also Threaten Def 2 in his Eckesachs isn't bad at all!
I do have 2 spare Hectors to inherit DC, so apart from Luna, Zephiel could work just as good, right?
(Especially if you don't have a spare Neph & Bike to inherit Wrath and Steady Breath)

Asked by Daemonjho1 year 3 months ago
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Yes. Zephiel can survive a myriad of things that would kill the Black Knight and is a better option defensively. IIRC; Deathblow Effie with Heavy Spear and an optimized Reinhardt are the only units that can ORKO Zephiel without a charged Special (didn't run the calcs on a fully buffed blade tome but that might be able to do the trick as well). Generally - the Black Knight fits better into the high speed offensive meta but on certain team comps Zephiel retains an edge due to running Wary Fighter off of his minmax statline.

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by sivo 1 year 3 months ago

Actually it is more the question to run Draug instead of Zephiel.
Free to play and near no effort BK > Zephiel >Draug
You do a bit Inherit Draug(here ofc Draug higher rated if you have merged him more up)=Bk >Zephiel

Draug is in every way better then Zephiel runned in Armor Emblem. Zephiel Weapon his Leg is terrible(not worst still 4 dmg up).
But for tactic grp then Zephiel pure Wall is better depends how you play.

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A Wo Dao+ Draug with ignis or bonfire and heavy blade. You will deal MASSIVE damage. With that, i mean 28 extra damage when bonfire procs, even with a -def IV. With ignis, he can deal 38 extra damage, not including his the damage he deals just by attacking with his weapon. With a +def IV, those numbers increase to 31 with bonfire and 43 with ignis. Draug also has high speed, giving him potential to double opponents. Zephiel will NEVER double anyone, even with a +spd IV. Even Reinhardt quads him. Speed is very important. It makes units like hana and lon qu good. I could go into this further, but i don't want to make this too long

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Yeah sure, but Heavy Blade won't trigger against many units with Draug having only 30 base ATK.
Also Zephiel doesn't want to double anyone, his whole idea is to run Wary Fighter since he has the lowest speed in the entire game if I recall correctly (also he can't even have +SPD since he is a GHB unit). But by having such a low speed stat, his other stats got boosted pretty well. When running Wary Fighter he can't get ORKO'd by ANY unit that isn't merged or has heavy buffs.
And this is my whole point of starting this thread. Is a Zephiel who can tank like ANYTHING more valuable than a BK who has more offensive potential or Draug who is pretty much a worse BK.

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Draug's existence is completely invalidated by the Black Knight. He has been replaced as the fast Red armor. Sure, he does still have the highest DEF in the game but his ATK and RES are too low to really take advantage of it. If he had two movement he'd probably be a champ but with one movement he suffers a lot. Even before the Black Knight he struggled...I know as I tried with some to make him work in Armor Emblem (Hone, Goad, and Ward up) and found him lackluster even with inheriting new skills including Wo Dao+.

Zephiel has a much better statline than Draug that doesn't waste any points in speed and, as such, can run Wary Fighter better than anyone else.

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I think some of you have never played real Armor emblem. It shock me a bit to read that. Higher spd then Draug? Actually not if runned with +spd boon. Highest def overall without skills yep,
There are more ways to play armor emblem guys in case of Ward and everyone with QR or with Goad and just murder them.
Normally everyone should know that already BST > all what do i care for Heroes that merge lvl is only max 1-2 what i have explained above everything.

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I still think you are a troll.
Or someone who invested heavily into draug (lol).
Or both.

Just for info: BST IS important yes. But you CAN stay at rank 20 forever without a team of Armor emblem. Same goes for Arena assault. That's m'y fasse for more than 3 months.
I'm not even talking about struggling to stay 20, reaching 4950+ is enough to be in the first half ALL THE TIME.
Oh and i dont have a single Armor in my team.
All you need IS 706+ to stay indefinitely at rank 20, and it's achievable without Armor or heavily merged units (i have an unmerged Xander on my Arena team all the Time)

In conclusion, Sivo, i really think you dont know what you are talking about, you are probably struggling with your rank 15 or whatever and praying for IS to release FEH in your native language

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Man never see you here a post or helping a person or something different.
But hey saying to me Troll to the one that actually was one of the first players that say BK get Distant counter and how his stats looking are and that he will be good with Steady Breath but jeah.
https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/q-a/future-black-knight-strong-steady-breath
Yeah must be a fantasy post right?

127 wins · 18 losses · 27 draws with Zephiel is better then 108 wins · 4 losses · 60 draws with Draug^^
Players never learn that is the reason you suck would dream to have a ranked pvp system just to reck you every time sadly will never happening..

Explaining players how Bts incrasing work in thread.
But hey i am the troll "right".
Short said to you Troll hf i will ignore you and your 3 accounts i give a ****.

I help people but scum like you nc.
Oh w8 i am not rank 20 let check my free to play account. ohh falling to rank 19 actually ofc because is a free to play account and has not merged or full armor team abuse man i must be a noob. Boy get a life you are just mad.

Why taking this pic? Would i post a different one from Handy main account you would say is not yours but this is a self made so "pwnt" and "deal with it"

Insultung language interesting yes i writing sometime fast and making mistake sry but think on this post was nothing wrong to understand
BK > Zephiel >Draug
You do a bit Inherit Draug(here ofc Draug higher rated if you have merged him more up)=BK>Zephiel

And by the Way Language means () can be ignored.
BK > Zephiel >Draug
You do a bit Inherit Draug=BK>Zephiel so what was so hard to understand? You are just one more hater or Troll that want to attack people.

Normally i am guy that ignore that laughing about it just chill and move on because it was his opinion and i respect normally every opinion(but he has clear bring 0 reason hell even that math down was terrible is like uhh i play only with one hero and win game who cares you build a team arround heroes) but it looks like you make multiple accounts without 0 knowledge and still insult me. I will ignore you now bye.

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I posted several times here.
To give and to get advices.
I have a hard time understanding your posts, vastly because i dont understand your awful english.
Add the fact that you are taking a picture of your phone screen instead of a screenshot, and we get the whole deal.
Btw, it's not another account, i seriously think several people think that you are out of this World.

Pic: 20 not 19, "pwnt", "deal with it".
Plebe.

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Normaly i have swear to ignore that but. .
"I posted several times here" Lets check click on your name active since today maked a post for 8 hours. After that last post was 1 month 4 weeks gz to finding your second account again,. 4 Post wow i post serveral times here.

But hey gz lier.
Again attacking language the one with a more terrible understanding of reading.

Your english is way worse and actually you do not need english to understand = > , so again Deal with it clown that random came exactly in this thread..Funny i gave you back for 1 month 4 weeks actually a hint on your post how to reset and start a new round.

Wow posting Score with a Merged team feel you proud now right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbnrh2NiBEc here example of a merged half team 5028.
Here a no merged team with armor emblem not merged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sm7oj6J-bI 4870

To explain a bit merge or not merged, Congratz that you do not get the point again that you stay only with Bts in Arena. Ahh right i do not need mister Armor Team ohh look have BTS points of only possible a strong merged team. And before you say video are to old here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75cJxoBE2g
4900 with 2 armor and 2 neutral heroes with bts hmm lets see how many merged he has done oh Tana has life and death and has 25def hmm just to explain neutral is 25. maybe 3 i guess. Gwenndolyn has summoner support maybe 2 merged.

But hey mister
" All you need IS 706+ to stay indefinitely at rank 20, and it's achievable without Armor or heavily merged units (i have an unmerged Xander on my Arena team all the Time)"

Funny you play with Xander and he is umerged you actually know that Cavalry has less BTS? Oh ups mistake from you right ^^and should you use tome heroes they reduse bts even more but hey mister lier you have ofc a way better team then that 4900 score umhmm lets check again 2 armor 2 neutral heroes not heavy merged ? Guy you failed hard. Lets check bts your team Sonya 147
Reinhardt 145
Xander 154
Anna 158
Vs
Gewendolyn 169
Amelia 173
Tana 156
B Lucina 157
Without merge hmmm we know Tana has atleast +2 merge. Let just say Gwendolyn has 0. Hmm a +10 merge is 20 bts more just as example .Gz mister i play not heavy merged you beat a half strong armor emblem with a Xander not merged and a Reinhardt that actually has the worst BST in game..
But maybe you want to say now but this is not my real team ok. You actualy maked it esay for me with i play not Armor emblem. Then you have lets say 3 infantry with you with 158 man to beat atleast Amelia you need a merged +5. And your points is 4944 damn then your team of the other 2 must be atleast +6 merged to get the same value like this team but you have points like 3 +6merged atleast. Short said would be realistic but that post above make no sense from you maybe you can not speak english :P. HAHA

But hey mister "i am skilled" can stay on rank 20 with main account because you and me have merged have strong merged heroes (is atleast +5 with 3 heroes of you and that is much) are you not a bit asshamed to lie here?
https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/6ce6qk/bst_should_be_removed_from_arena_scoring/

Actually a good post should you read maybe you learn something about it. But ofc you need to learn to read.
Ah by the way Rekt noob is called math and i ignore you now.

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At this point I don't even know if I should laugh or cry about people like you existing.
But man I was right, you ARE german (and probably voted for the "AfD" today considering what you posted).
Also I don't know why you consider your English any good but let me tell you: It is not.

Vielleicht verstehst du es auf Deutsch ja besser: 1.) Lern Englisch.
2.) Chill mal ? es ist ein Spiel in dem es um SPAß geht
3.) Du sagst BST sei nicht wichtig und dann auf einmal doch? Kurios.
4.) Was für builds hast du bitte bei kagerochart eingegeben? Draug ist einfach nicht so gut von seinen stats her wie BK oder Zephiel. Ende aus. Abgesehen von seiner DEF hat er nichtmal auf 4*+10 irgendwelche Vorteile.

Ich hoffe damit ist das Thema dann auch durch.

For all the other people reading this (out of amusement probably): Sorry for the German part, but his English was so bad that I wasn't even sure whether he even understood what I was saying. I sure had to read some of his posts more than once to get an idea of what he was trying to communicate.
Peace out.

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Just ran some different calculations on kagerochart and even with Wo Dao+, Wrath & DC Draug has worse matchups than vanilla BK or DC Zephiel.
The only time Draug really shines is withBrave Sword+ & Darting Blow, but then again BK would run it even better (when changing Alondite to a Brave Sword+).

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Boy yes run Bk and cry why you never get higher score rate do more missinformations have no problem with it.
What did i wrote wrong ? Nothing! But what you write is just Hilarious

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Well...
First of all: This thread's intention was to deal with alternatives to BK, 'cause I find Zephiel more interesting than BK due to the Panic Ploy Seal.
Also how are calculated matchups misinformation? LMAO
As Kaihaku already stated: Draug just gets outclassed by BK (which I don't really like either), so that his former speedy-Armoured Unit status gets completely obliterated.
And last but not least I find it really hard to understand your posts due to your abysmal English skills lol

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look hater what should i say more.
I have actually perfect explained short with.
"Free to play and near no effort BK > Zephiel >Draug
You do a bit Inherit Draug(here ofc Draug higher rated if you have merged him more up)=Bk >Zephiel"
What did you answer?
"How is Draug in any way better than Zephiel?
I had a Brave Sword+ Draug before Amelia was released and he was fucking aweful."

Terrible you can a) not read / b) not understand the game or c) you seems to be a Troll/Hater

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Where do I even start?
"You do a bit Inherit Draug" this isn't even a proper English sentence, but I guess you meant something like "You have to inherit some skills to Draug". Ok, I get it, every character needs to get some skills inherited to work properly.
Then you go on with "(here ofc Draug higher rated if you have merged him more up)=Bk >Zephiel" what should probably read "When merging Draug he has better stats than BK making him better than Zephiel and euqal to BK". And that alone is simply not true. Except if you meant merging a 5*+6 or higher Draug. A 4*+10 Draug reaches 51HP, 32 ATK (without any weapon), 34 SPD, 41 DEF (the only reason to run him proabably), 20 RES. Of course that's more BST overall than a 5*+0 BK or Zephiel, but the stats are just not balanced. Compare that to BK who has 2 more ATK (also without a weapon) on 5*+0, they also have the same speed stat. Draug on 4*+10 has 3 more HP, 5 more DEF and 2 more RES. But apart from his really high DEF no stat really stands out. Who is Draug trying to double? Already slow units and mybe some mediocre-speed units.
Of course Wo Dao+ + Wrath/ QR is powerful and I have no doubt about Draug being strong against meele units, but as soon as a mage crosses his path he'll just get destroyed. Also his matchups with 4*+10 are still not as good as Zephiel's and BK's.
I see that you really like him or already built him or whatever, but he just lost his former niche as a speedy-Armoured Unit with BK's release, sorry dude.

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