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Theorycrafting with Bravart : Caeda [S-tier]

Caeda, the white shadow (白霞罸)

The purpose of this theorycrafting is to leverage Caeda's strenghts, her differences, her quintessence !

First, let's figure out why Palla is considered superior to Caeda!

============Quick comparison+explanation===========

The anwser lies in their stat spread :
STATS : PALLA ----vs---- CAEDA ==> caeda PoV
BST : 158 ----vs---- 156 ==> lighter Arena Weight
HP : 42 ----vs---- 36 ==> very costly for a speedy unit
ATK : 31 ----vs---- 25 ==> can't ORKO most of the meta
SPD : 31 ----vs---- 37 ==> toptier spd, above the meta average
DEF : 28 ----vs---- 24 ==> weaker to lords and braveswords
RES : 26 ----vs---- 34 ==> interesting... let's save it for later

So the answer is 1) Palla has a better Arena Weight, 2) her all-rounded stats are more suited for a very buffy flier team (as she can increase all her stats by 10, making use of each of her stats), and 3) her Atk is good enough to not rely on TA or Gem-weapons to take out her foes, same for her ability to soak hits.

In brief, she looks in all aspect better and more optimal than Caeda... HOWEVER, it's up to oneself to be what the person he wants to be !

Let's see how Caeda can build her way to new heights ! Sora ni mukoe... PLUS ULTRAAAAAAA !!!

=================Theory Crafting 2.0===============

Caeda, the white shadow (白霞罸)
IVs : +atk, -def
W: Slaying Edge (aka the White Edge, 白剣 shiroken)
Ast: Ardent Sacrifice
Sp: Iceberg (aka Frost Bite, 凍傷 tôshô)
A-skill : Fury 3
B-skill : Desperation 3
C-skill : Def Ploy 3
Seal : +1spd

Stats (unbuffed) : 36hp / 46atk / 41spd / 24def / 37res

Spoiler : This build of Caeda is effective even OUTSIDE of a Flyer team, to say how viable it is.
But let's speak of the flyer team synergy/massbuffs later..

=============Outside a Flyer emblem==============

Caeda can effectively tank any red or green physical hit and will NEVER get doubled (41spd), so she cannot get ORKO except against Braveweapon users (generally you can't counter both 1-hit nuke and brave-W nukers).

Caeda can soak any red or green magic hits, multiple times, thanks to her AMAZING 37res, and even some Blue mages (as long as it's not a bladetome or a dire thunder, so good versus the IA, TT, CC but not the blue mage meta will remain too strong for a red unit).

What about her offensive potential now ?!
She has 46atk and 41spd, but more importantly, she has -1 CD special which adds 18damages when it triggers !!

As we saw, only blue units (natural counter) and bravesword users can ORKO her. The latter are very rare, meaning she will survive a fight almost all the time.

What does it change ?
1) Her special is now ready to blow 18damages with her next attack
2) Desperation is ready, she can double hit (41spd)

Another alternative: her Ardent Sacrifice. She has 36Hp and she reaches Desperation's range at 27hp, so by transfering 10hp to an ally, she gets in Desp'range.

At this stage, she is able to ORKO :
- ALL the green units
- ALL the blue mage meta (with their ridiculous Def)
- all the red units except a few if they run Fury 3:
Ryoma (survive with 2hp before Fury recoil), Lucina (2hp too), Marth (4hp), Eldigan (4hp), Xander (9hp), Zephiel (11hp but he does run fury3 so... 5hp)..

They ALL die if they are alined with Caeda at the start of her turn, thanks to Def Ploy -5def... How evil... fear the white shadow, Caeda...!

===============Inside a Flyer emblem==============

In a Flyer emblem she will have to trade her awesome Res Ploy 3 for a Flyer buffing C-skill. But will benefit from a massiv amount of buffs.

Since I hate horse/flyer emblems and everything that is OP I won't enter too much into the détails but to make it simple :

All her weaknesses you read before (braveweapons, bladetomes, etc) she can overcome the vast majority of it really easily and kill even more foes (even without her special). Basically, it's the SS-tier.

Her only remaining weakness will be bravebow Archers (not even Merric).

=====================End======================

I hope you enjoyed the viability and creativity of the theorycraft for the overpowered Caeda, the white shadow !

PS: I googled the Japanese letters for fun ! :D haha

Asked by Bravart1 year 4 months ago

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I'm kicking your ass

@Ryu , You know, I don't like OP things, nor unoptimized stuff...
I read your theorycraft, I think it's fine but there is several things I don't like about it :

1) First of all, the IV set, you chose a +Atk/-Res , which means you are making Caeda converge toward Palla's stat line... it's very unoptimal, it doesn't leverage Caeda's unique stat line and assets.
Moreover, Palla has a better BST (heavier Arena Weight) and a better stat spread for that general purpose of your build, with better bulk essentially (proof is, she doesn't rely on TA/Gem-W to be effective).

2) Using TA & Gem-weapons to clear the color that you should be naturally countering is basically a waste of W-skill or A-skill due to unoptimized stat spread, a Red unit should be able to take care of Green units without it.

3) Kinda the same goes for Swordbreaker. In my opinion, the only reason to run swordbreaker is when you are slow or when you need to kill slow fckers that run swordbreaker.

4) I tested your Caeda on Kagerochart, versus Fury3 character, basically, she relies on Flyer emblem's buffs to do anything you said... Well, with +10atk/spd and +6def/res of course she is a fcking effective unit. Even Priscilla would fck the vast majority of the rooster with those buffs LUL [joking, but it's almost true].

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https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/q-a/theorycrafting-ryu-caeda

That's it, you and me outside punk!

Honestly your build is fine and I considered the desperation route but I wanted to avoid that due to Caeda having such a low attack stat even for double attacks that I felt it would just be overshadowed by most other red units that would run it, though Swift Sparrow is a nice fix for it.

I dislike the requirement of Def Ploy cuz thats currently a holiday limited unit no longer in circulation and off a color people generally hate pulling from (I'd have tried it myself otherwise but I'm hoping we get more heroes with it soon)

Lastly, I feel with Fury keeping her res at 34 for the ploy skill should be fine in favor of making her dangerously more vulnerable to physical threats but that's personal preference since you only need a single point more in resistance to trigger the skills.

Anyways we still gon fite let's go

Careful boi, I can shoot hadokens !

Swift Sparrow 2 was my initial idea, but afterwards Fury 3 is slightly superior (I just forgot to change it in the skill set resume, but I edited it). Fury 3 to not get ORKO and enter in Desperation's range with the Special ready.

I usually don't like Desperation but it's one of the rare case were I find it the best option.

Def Ploy 3 is rare but it's the best C-skill option and it's way more reliable than ThreatenDef3 while it enables Caeda to counter all the lords she would otherwise spare on the verge of death.

Of course, one is free to run any other C-skill, flyer buffs or other ploy for the team but Def Ploy 3 is superior.

Fight ! HADOKEN ! HADOKEN ! HADOKEN !!!

Well Caeda seems really really good with your build !
But I've a problem with that "Stats (unbuffed) : 36hp / 46atk / 41spd / 24def / 37res"
How did you get that ?
I mean if she's speed+ and def- and with your build, her stats without buff should be :
36 Hp / 25+14 => 39 Atk ( 43 with swift ) / 40 + 1 ( seal ) => 41 Speed ( 45 with swift ) / 21 Def / 34 Resist
Did you give her a secret Fury 3 bonus ? =p
Otherwise I like your theorycrafting !

EDIT: Aw... while I was writing you replaced Swift with Fury 3 x) but her Atk should be 42 and not 46 tho or I'm missing something... Aw ! it's your IV it should be Atk+ / Def- instead of Spd+ !

Base stat line :36/25/37/24/34
IV modified : 36/29/37/21/34
Fury modified : 36/32/40/24/37
Seal Spd+1 : 36/32/41/24/37
白剣 's 14Mt : 36/46/40/24/37

I was doing my tests on Kagerocharts, changing the skill set and IVs set back and forth, once I finished, I started writting the detailed description while I was thinking I kept "+Atk / -Def and Fury 3" in the skill set resume.

I mean, I mentionned Fury 3 stats in the whole thing and not Swift Sparrow 2, so you could have deduced it xD
Same for the +Atk boon, but it's cool that you asked anyways ^^