Storm Sieglinde just doesn't work well on Eirika due to her average/poor defences. With buffs and Sacred Seals, her defences can be patched up but then she can't activate its effect.
My L!Eirika is +SPD -DEF so its definitely not going to work with 24 defence; Its unfortunate that its underwhelming on her because the rest of her kit is very good/solid.
The effect of her sword doesn't really seem all that interesting to me due to the Ally vs Enemy effect that it has. I skipped this B8 banner, but I probably would have given her a different sword to be honest, and I usually like keeping a unit's prf, but you have to have high defense and/or HP to get me to use those effects on weapons.
The issue is Lunar Brace gives her +1 special cooldown and she can't proc the Heavy Blade effect of her weapon without being far away from allies (which doesn't work well with her poor defences)
Because of Lunar Brace, Sol becomes a 4 cooldown special and would require Eirika to take 2 hits for it to be ready, and with 27 defence (24 in my case) that's not the easiest thing in the world.
Aether is even worse, turning into a 6 turn cooldown special and only units with Breath Skills can reliably fire off Aethers with such a high cooldown; particularly because she can't run Desperation so she's definitely reliant on support, which goes against her weapon.
Well, first off:
Galeforce and Desperation.
But also, she can survive one blow from most enemies. 30 def isn't that low.
She can Black Luna nuke someone when baiting. If you have a healer around, she's right back quickly.
But with sol/noontime she can accually patch herself up pretty well.
Besides she doesn't need to be around allies to use buffs (similair to Ephraim and Walhart)
Think of it as a coiled spring. Charge her up with buffs, then shoot her out.
Without using Lunar Brace, she's useless to me as I already have a Siegburt who can run Galeforce/Desperation much better than she can due to his superior bulk and attack. Her SPD is overkill for most engagements so its not really a plus outside of Arena (which she wouldn't be touching)
First off, Sieg needs to give up his seal for heavy blade in order to use galeforce as well as Eirika.
His def is around the same (31 vs effective 30. 27 for you)
Eirika can take a hit from dragons/mages (sieg has 16 res, Eirika effective 24)
39 is hardly overkill. There are enough Ayras and even Lon'qus with around 40 speed, so with atk/spd solo getting 45 speed is good for being very reliable. Even outside arena, there are enough high speed units. Especially with inflated stats
Sieg's got the same spd on player phase, but Eirika has it on both phases, so she can wait out a turn first.
Of course, it all depents on the IVs you happen to have, but you make it sound like Eirika is useless in general.
Of course I'm praying for the day IS sees the light and gives Seth a (good) refine.
I never said nor implied that Eirika was useless. I said she was useless to ME because I already have a superior red cavalry unit.
I never run horses alone, so there is always the ever present +6 to SPD and ATK meaning that Eirika's extra speed is negligible.
As it stands, my Eirika can reach 56 ATK and 48 SPD without buffs. And buffs brings it to 62 ATK and 53 SPD.
My Siegburt (with ATK-SPD Solo, should I give it him) would reach 60 ATK and 45 SPD without buffs. And buffs brings it to 65 ATK and 51 SPD.
Personally, I think the extra +3 ATK and +4 DEF is better than the extra 2 SPD and 6 RES as they'll be fighting far more melee units than ranged ones.
I've been using Siegbert, which is why I was disappointed in L!Eirika as I was hoping as a Legendary Hero, she would be at least marginally superior to him as he's fairly old now.
Will probably fodder her for ATK-SPD Solo once I find a suitable candidate but will try out her Desperation build before that (once I get a Shanna that is lol)
And I typically forget about her cooldown reduction, as it almost never procs for me. If I send her out alone, she dies. If I keep her close, she gets no use out of her weapon.
Would do Firesweep but she doesn't really have the ATK for it.
No problem with just using your Siegbert.
It's accually not a bad thing that the new units don't make old ones useless.
Hell, with refines, some early game units can be better than newer ones (like with Nina vs Innes)
Be sure to be very careful with the skill to fodder. We'll probably won't get it on another unit for a long time.\
Yeah, without the 16+3 might, she struggles. I don't think switching out her weapon does her any favours
Not useless, just wanted to her to have some tangible benefit over him. Her Lunar Brace build doesn't work very well without a +DEF IV and that is her niche.
I just wish her niche was useful e.g. having more DEF so that she can reliably use her it without the constant threat of death and the need for a healer.
And I won't fodder her until I've exhausted all the options. There might be some hidden build that we've yet to think of plus I'll need her for the next season of Arena so I've at least got a couple weeks of testing.
Only 5 other melee calv units have a statline that would be considered "good" enough for sieglinde. Theyd need both aceptable spd and phy bulk, which comes to: siegbert, SCordelia, S!Alphonse, sigurd and seth.
Siegbert and Scordelia are the only ones with near perfect 35/35 offensive statline. With cordelia being speedier but with 28 def and siegbert being slower but bulkier with 31 def.
Seth, segurd and SAlphonse all have mid 30s offensive stats as well as 30s def.
Overall tho, the weapon REALLY wants the unit to double so units with a spd bias in their offensive stats get the edge. So this leaves only cordelia and siegbert.
Cordelia: her stat spred is very close to eirikas. She only has 4 more phy bulk while haveing the same mag bulk thanks to her higher hp.
Siegbert: he needs +spd to make the most of her weapon. But this leaves a problem with the bane. -hp and def take away from his superrior phy bulk. -res means he dumps his chances of taking on dragons. -atk is the only bane that you can then take and say that hes better than eirika with her weapon. If you dont care about mag bulk then +spd -res makes sieebert the best unit for erikas weapon.
So theres no clear cut unit that would make better use of her weapon. The closest are SCordi and siegbert but it would depend on your playstyle that determines if you see them as better users of it.
So what your complaining basically comes down to is: "i need more bst power creep, she doesnt have enough stats to 1v4 teams yet"
Wrong. I never said nor implied anything of the sort. I merely said that the weapon doesn't work well on her due to her poor defences.
I would have given up some RES and SPD for some extra DEF gladly so she can make better use of the weapon or.....just give her a better weapon that suits her statline.
I also never said that any other EXISTING unit could make better use her of her weapon so your breakdown was all for nought sadly.
Not sure why you thought this was a 'complaining' post....at all....its merely an observation. I definitely don't care enough for L!Eirika to complain about her.
Ur focusing WAYYYYYY too much on the +3/3 aspect of her weapon. Its basically brazing durandals heavy blade with a different activation requirement.
"I dont care enough....to complain" yet here we are....
Dude u got less than optimal ivs AND you have a unit who alreadt performs a similar role. Dont let that cloud ur judgement
Yet I've already explained that I'm not complaining so again, not sure what you're on about.
I'm not focusing on the +3/3 aspect of her weapon...at all. I forgot she even had to tbh. I'm focusing on her lack of defences, which you should have been able to tell by reading the comment.
Even with neutral DEF, 27 DEF isn't enough to readily go out on her own and duel, it's just not ideal at all. There are far too many units out there with 50+ ATK that shred her.
My judgement hasn't been clouded at all. I've presented my side of argument quite clearly so its easy to see how I came to the conclusion that I did. You merely pointed out that there isn't any other cavalry unit that can run it either, which means nothing to the discussion.
"Storm Sieglinde just doesn't work well on Eirika due to her average/poor defences. With buffs and Sacred Seals, her defences can be patched up but then she can't activate its effect."
I thought it was pretty clear that they were mainly talking about Eirika's poor defenses mixed with her Sieglinde's 'lone wolf' effect, and not once have they mentioned the +3 to stats in the original post.
"Storm Sieglinde - A Good Weapon on The WRONG PERSON"
The headline (the most important part of ANY post), implies that someone esle can run her weapon better.....which not a clear cut cut case.
Plus how doe her having buffs negate the activation of her special? OP clearly doesnt like the idea of throwing her into the middle of enemies and want to keep her close to her allies. But he doesnt really express that clrearly. And that has to do more with not liking that playstyle than the weapon not being good on her
Yes, someone else could run the effect better, someone with more defense. Whether that person is in the game yet or not doesn't matter, but, to many, this Eirika is the "wrong" person to have that kind of effect, and even then the main point was in the actual post - about her low defenses, not the fact that she's the wrong person to wield it.
Its funny that everyone else got it but you. Maybe you should focus on reading and not jumping to conclusions and we wouldn't be here....at all.
Had you read the post instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have seen that the post was about her poor defences. The title is just that....the title, you need to READ the post to get the full picture, which you clearly didn't.
Not sure what your point is or what you're trying to contribute to this discussion except unnecessary drama.
Give her A skill to Sharena with her fensalir eff+. It'll give her a permanent spd boost which she needs, and you can strategically play out what stat (def or atk) you'll need more by bringing her in to teammates or attacking on her own. Her defense is also better. I just don't know what to put as her seal.
She is the best galeforce cav imo.
put brazen on seal, then she has 63/45 atk/spd at neutral, 63/48 with +spd.
with horse buff, it's 69/54, which is a very nice number.
you can also put close defence on her seal slot for EP with lunar brace, she will have 36/30 def/res at neutral while tanking, that is 74/68 bulk, which is pretty nice too. give her horse buff, she will have 42/36 def/res, almost never got double unless you're cheated by armor or ephraim.
I think one of the problems with that is she can't receive horse buffs without being near another cavalier - at least two other cavaliers to receive both Hone and Fortify buffs - and that somewhat counteracts with her weapon' effect. You want her to be by herself a lot of the time so she can proc her weapon, but if you're having your cavaliers trailing behind her just so she can get +6 to her stats, then her weapon is pretty much just a beat stick, and that's OP's issue.
Her base defense is not high enough under normal circumstances to really consider having her by herself for extended periods of time, but you want her by herself to proc her weapon.
you can always buff her first before sent her to the enemy, then pull her back next turn for another buff. at that time she already eliminates what she need to.
idk how much def you'd want for a cav to actually have a high def.
she does have 30/24 with her weapon at neutral. Even ephraim only have 33/18 on his galeforce build, 37/18 on his stance build, which include heavy blade on seal to proc sol every combat.
Eirika with close def on seal, actually have 36/30.
I'd love to patch up her defence with buffs but then Storm Sieglinde can't be activated, which is one of her main selling points.
I have absolutely no issues with her ATK and SPD, there's both good/great. The issue is her lacklustre defence that really prevents her from being a good lone wolf.
I would swap out her Prf Weapon but then her attack drops dramatically, making her too weak.
the way you play them is that you buff them then sent them alone.
then pull them back for another buff.
It is annoying, but that what makes ephraim and eirika unique.
did you try her with close def seal ? your -def should still have 33/30 defensive stats, which is pretty nice for a cav.
you can swap her weapon to slaying edge and change her A to bond skill, this way you can full cav buff her. With moonbow + lunar brace, i dont think anything survive her.
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