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I have a serious question regarding two units placement in the tier list. To the image attached, are two statlines for two different units. They are quite similar, however one is in rank 3, and the other one is in rank 5 in the tier list. The trained eye, will see that the stats to the left represents Karel. The stat sheet to the right represents Ogma. Why are these units so separated in the tier list? If we look at Karel with a nameless blade +10 dmg special refine vs ogma with a +atk Slaying edge, the attack difference will still be five. That means the +10 dmg from a Karel With a nameless blade when special triggers will deal as much damage as the five extra attack Ogma has, as long as he doubles. (Sorry for bad English, hope you understand). In addition, because of the refine, Ogma will have 2 hp more than Karel, and at the ssame time will have 3 more def than Karel because of his statline (assuming neutral statlines in this comparison btw). Karel has more res, but lets be realistic, that res doesnt do Karel any favours. So what do you guys think? Have any thoughts? Is the +1 speed enough to set Karel two ranks in the tier list higher than Ogma, a f2p unit in the 3*-4* pool that is easy to get merges for? This has bugged me for a while, and I want to hear other people's thoughts on the matter.

Asked by Dewox1 month 1 week ago

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There are lots of units with questionable placements like this. Its sadly par for the course. And if you complain about it, the admins will just put you down and say its all about waifus, people thinking certain placements are unfair.

Tier lists are stupid and you should ignore them at all costs.

Tier list is for Arena. PRF weapons carry a higher score than regular ones. And idk, with the dragon meta that has been going on, maybe that RES would help?

The tier list is for arena, but it doesn't actually take scoring into account.
It also doesn't take the babysitter meta into account.
Basically it's stupid.

The +10 dmg is powerful. With wrath it allows him to OHKO many units not needing to double. Its true dmg so it means better matchups agains blue units.

Keep in mind that the tier lists are not the be all end all factor for how good a unit is.
They are also not only based on stats but also how much effort goes into making an "optimal" build on a specific unit.
As far as Ogma and Karel go, if you consider that you have to inherit Slaying Edge onto Ogma while Karel comes with his own Prf weapon, that is one of the reasons the ratings are different.