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Question about Veronica and the term "loli" (spoiler alert if you haven't completed Heroes book I)

I thought I knew what constitutes a loli until people called her one (or was I imagining things?).

Loli = character, almost invariably female (possible to make a 5-yr-old boy a loli I suppose? Probably couldn't put him on the battlefield though, so hard to make such a character in FE), with exaggerated childly or other features that make her cute, most commonly: demeanour, anime eyes, artificially high voice. Correct or no?

Loli Tiki (as opposed to adult Tiki), Loli Fae, Loli Lachesis, F.Kana, strong case to be made for Nowi. So far so good. Maybe even Priscilla, marginally? She does seem a bit fully-grown and tall to be called a loli.

How is pre-brave Veronica a loli? The expression on her face is dark, brooding, and unhappy; her eyes are pretty realistic in size, and we never heard her voice (unless I missed something).

I did a search and some even called Maria a loli. ???

So if Veronica isn't a loli, why did people go so hard for her that she won CYL2? She wasn't an especially developed character, and she always gave the Order of Heroes a hard time...just because there's some curse on her bloodline, ok fine if that's really the case, but that still doesn't give me reason to like her.

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1st things 1st.
A young boy is called a "Shota"

2nd there are many reasons Veronica won.
the ones I can think on top of my hear, was:

That we wanted her playable.

We wanted to learn more about her.

It was either her or Sutur

Thanks for this part. I learned something new. The etymology of this term seems rather dark!

Is most of your question regarding what a "loli" really is? I'm not big on definitions, but it's simply a young-looking girl. Age is not entirely the issue, as there are examples with kipu's drawings (Lachesis, Est, Elincia, Ninian) who've been "lolified". And no, Priscilla is in no way a loli lol (Lachesis is 15-16, but she looks somewhat older in canon).

Veronica's case remind me a lot of Sanaki and Nyx. I never saw them as really young or "loli". I recognise that's what they're given to represent, but their similiar personality qualities and demeanor makes them at least a bit older-looking for me. I wouldn't call Veronica a loli, but it might be clear she's no older than 15. CYL almost seems even older than that, but her body is still small and skinny.

As to the rest, I actually have no idea why people are going apeshit over Veronica.

So, I've been able to find some information about lolicon. The origin of the terms shota and loli seem decidedly dark to me, but I would be hard pressed to believe that the majority of the FE following thinks about the characters we commonly call lolis the way straight mature men think about fully-grown women.

Am I to understand, then, that "loli" in the narrowest definition just refers to a pre-pubescent girl and anything more is dependent on who's using the term?

Well, I don't know about the majority, but I can tell you there's definitely a portion that do feel that way. It ain't pretty, but at least you learn to """""""accept"""""""- at least me, as a fan of the series for years. It might've gotten worse with the target audience post-Awakening.

I don't take it all that seriously, and can't say I've ever had.

Well, there's always going to be some part of the population with those inclinations. At some points in history it was socially accepted, as ugly as it is. I wasn't trying to bury my head in the sand, just saying that I don't think it's the majority at the moment. (Could I in fact be mistaken?)

She could be 1000+, but she still looks 5 to me:

Definitely not older than 7-8 by what I know about appearances

I can't speak for others but my "apeshittery" is solely based on her being a new character rather than the 3/4th alt.

Probably due to the fact that she's a unique story character, which made most people want a playable incarnation of her in the game.

Also, looking at the results she beat the next female pick Camilla by 1000 votes, so I'd attribute that to a voter surge in order to avoid getting a fourth (at the time) alt for Camilla.

How much of it do you think was people going "k no more boob-flaunting please"?

And why didn't people go for Bruno/Zacharias instead? He was significantly more developed and we saw a lot more of his complexity

Welcome others' ideas about this question too

As long as its female, and looks childish/young, anything goes... Summer young tiki, young tiki, Fae, Nino, Maria. As long as it meets the criteria mentioned before, you've got yourself a Loli

"Loli" is a term that pedophiles and supporters of pedophilia use to refer to any character who looks like/is a child. Usage of the term is oftentimes accompanied by gross cropped screenshots of child porn art.

Just don't say they're "cute" when you'd probably tap that. :D

Girl, what..... Saying something is cute shouldn’t be inherently sexual....

Exactly what I'm saying. lol In fact, when is cute properly even used in a sexual way? It isn't. But a lot of loliphiles talk about how "cute" they are and are, well, loliphiles.

Then again, I'm in love with Sanaki so I might not be the best at this. >:,(

Is that to say that cute and sexually attractive would be two separate aspects of a person? I think I've encountered sexually mature women who I could honestly call cute.

It doesn't mean those two can't mix, but you'd probably go with one of the stand-out qualities first. You could call little Tiki "cute", but I wouldn't as hell call her "sexually attractive". On the other hand, you could say adult Tiki is sexually attractive and mature-looking, but you can also add she has a "cute" quality going for her.

I feel the same way about both Tikis, but I think it's a good wager that there are respectable men who would find cuteness to be sexually attractive in a woman if she's mature enough. So "cute" could mean sexually attractive, but far from always.

too bad what I just said contraddicts my feelings towards this pajama babe ಥ⌣ಥ

Thats some nice quality bait you've got there.

sorry sweetie, it’s not

Damn.

You already know he's just fucking with you? Either hes taking the piss or he's a pedophile himself, cause i've been on the internet for 18 years and i've never seen what hes describing, so the only logical reason he'd see that shit is if hes a pedo himself, if he's not trolling.

Tbh it disgusts me that you would even try to associate me with them. Anyway, have you seen the instagram FE community?You probably haven’t; lots of them are swine and do the shit i described.

No, and if what you're saying is true I'm glad I haven't.

Yeah lots of them are toxic for many different reasons... it’s a shitshow tbh

Sounds like something a pedo would say. You disgust me.I'l calling the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

And you said he might be trolling. I'm question marks in every direction, not just at you

You disgust me beyond words.

Shut up pedo, you have no rights here, this isn't reddit.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? How does my denouncement of pedos lead to me being called one? What type of fuckshit is this? Do y’all really hate me that much?

Oh my god you don't know what a joke is do you? That's sad.

I think he showed that he wasn't taking it for a joke, and you pressed the joke anyways. That seems rather questionable.

If I had to pick a side I'd pick yours quickly, but I'm not sure what's going on here.

What do you mean about IG community? I only saw this general FE channel and they posted very innocent pictures.

I choose her as my free summon because she is one of the main antagonists in the game so it is kinda cool to have her playable. My next CYL, i will vote for all of sutr's daughters

Laegjarn is definitely my fave.

There are many things people consider as cute.
And it's on the fandom on this one, Cause if you look at all of the Fanart for Veronica(not including hentai of course) people draw her as a shy little girl and people see shy little kids as "cute" but that's just how most people see her but in reality and people who actually understands Her character that she is a psychopath that wants to kill people so they don't understand why people like her.

And it's just want to play as her for the longest time(I still remember people wanted Veronica as playable character before CYL 1)

Did they want Bruno and Loki also, then? Loki even had a pretty good staff (a staff we would probably consider good even by today's standards)

I could not answer that but People did want Loki(Loki ended pretty high on CYL2). and it's totally different reasons why people want Loki.
It's she's hot and a thot, if She has both people want her.

I didn't vote for Veronica. Book 1's story was a little kitschy, but overall not too bad. I'm happy she gets the extra character development. And honestly I'm a little let down that they didn't work it into the story, and instead they made this "I'm Veronica but nothing like YOUR Veronica, so why do people treat me like a villain" narrative.

I'd much rather they embraced and extrapolated on her only wanting lots of friends. She's a lot like the antagonist version of Sharena. And she's absolutely getting taken advantage of by Muspel.

Yeah, I also felt like they copped out when they should have been developing the Veronica we all knew

They almost got there too didn't they? I wouldn't be surprised to see the plot-interesting Veronica in 1-2 chapters.

The term generally refers to faces and body types. If a character looks young and is actually young, they're just a kid.
Veronica, while her face looks mature enough, still has younger looking facial features. She is also short in stature. The short definition is that they are characters who are pre-pubescent in look (and possibly voice), but not in age (generally 12-13 and older). Assuming Veronica is teen-aged (roughly 13-16), then she would be considered a loli.

Does that mean that is the sole contributing factor toward her popularity? Not necessarily. Ignoring the loli part, she has an interesting design, especially compared to the Askrtrio's rather plain attire. Similarly, she's also the most developed of the original characters in the game as evidenced by her relationship with her brother, her relationship with Xander and her eventual defiance against Surtr.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the loli aspect played a significant enough role in her popularity. I'm not sure about the numbers outside of Japan, but in Japan itself, the loli archetype/design is quite popular. BUT, this is far from the appropriate place to discuss the Value Dissonance involved here, and this topic in general, so my explanation will cease here, but hopefully this cleared things up for you.