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Poor Roy. Poor, Poor, Roy

Of the four new heroes, he is the only one that doesn't have power creep when it comes to BST. Lyn has a BST 2 points HIGHER than Bride Cordelia. Both Lucina and Ike are sitting at 160 and 162, respectively, which in Ike's case is Village level BST for infantry units.

Then we have Roy, sitting at 154, the same BST as Xander. I understand that power creep is inevitable and a natural component of these games, but what the hell? Why does everyone neglect our boy? Lyn's bow grants her +3 speed, the same as Roy's weapon only he gets attack, but she gets the BST increase ALONG WITH that boost.

Still picking him though, that art is amazing! He's also incredibly powerful and people are sleeping on him.

Asked by Rugmouse1 year 4 months ago

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I keep seeing peopl trying to daybreak 'he's good but he'll need cavalry support' and here I am laughing because they couldn't be any more wrong.

Our boy is using his dads sword with the perfect upgrade and is literally everything I wish Eliwood he been all along. With 1 more neutral attack and +3 at all times from his durandal, he ties with initiating Eliwood even on defense and he is faster and has better defense as well at the cost of 1 HP and 8 points if much less useful resistance without it being too shitty.

His sword has a built in pseudo Heavy Blade effect on top of that free +3 attack as well and he can actually run shit like Galeforce and Aether without needing to worry about it taking forever or wasting his A slot of Heavy Blade itself.

Neutral Roy has 51 attack without any buffs or even adding Fury or something to his A slot and he'll be able to get his sword triggers fairly often and with a speed focus and fury he hits 40 speed and he even comes with Desoeration it seems.

Roy is probably the best cavalry unit in the game to be able to run outside of a Cavakry emblem team that we have ignoring Reinhardts ugly ass.

Honestly Ike is the only one I have minimal interest in getting because Lyn is my wife, Roy is great and Lucina is an interesting new type of combat support and I like that about her.

Shhhh - keep our boy a secret!

I think it's more about him needing/wanting a cavalry team to run even with the other three, I doubt anyone thinks he's bad stand alone given that he is basically Eliwood mixed with Ike.

I think he unfortunately loses out in popularity when compared with the other Brave heroes so no one mentions him as much as the others.

ROY IS OUR BOY HE'S TOO SKILLED

A skilled Roy can beat any Lyn.

I agree Roy will be good, but Lyn is by far the strongest horse unit outside horse emblem. So yeah, Roy is probably third.

I would refrain from calling it powercreep since this is way out of the ordinary for this game and there is a big chance this will be more of a one-time thing. I don't think we will be getting similarly powerful units any time soon after this event.

IMO BST isnt everything and I think his lower BST is due to him having the most expensive special in the game, giving him a naturally higher arena rating than the others. In the same way Lyn has unusually high BST because the other two have Aether while she only has Draconic Aura, so her rating would be lower than them.
I believe this is all a balancing measure to make sure these four units all end up in the same Arena rating range so they can keep checking each other. Roy is still going to be the best mellee horse there is and at this point the only unit that can realistically pull off a Galeforce-Heavy-blade-Combo. I really don't think he got the short end of the stick.

Agreed, having those powerful specials available out of the box is a big help for arena scores. That said, we live in a skill-inheritance world and you can give these higher BST units any special you please...which expounds on the creep further.

This isn't the first occurrence of power creep we've seen recently. Including the new banner, the last two banners have both included units that exceed the normal BST levels, with Amelia being given the Trainee title. Abilities and weapons are rendering previous versions obsolete (Killer/Slayer weapons). There is absolutely power creep happening right now. Whether it is going to be a sustained phenomena or not is yet to be seen, but everything points to these new units being added to the pool - there was no 'Special Unit' designation in the reveal. If this is the case, they will be objectively better than other units that came before them.

You technically can inherit Galeforce to units with higher BST, so just in theory, if we disregard all thoughts of resource-management, he would have a lower cap than the others. But even in tier20 I haven't seen ANY unit who inherited galeforce and only a few times units who inherited aether just for the higher rating. 750 SP is a huge deal and with the skill being 5* exclusive it's also pretty hard on your feathers. You can only expect like, what? The top 100 players to reach a point where this would be relevant and even then - Roy is easily the best suited unit to make actual use of Galeforce, so even if we think among the very top of the top, there is just no reason to run galeforce on anything other than him (except maybe Ike, but....idk).
But this is not all that relevant either way. CYL is not a phenomenom exclusive to top players since everyone will have at least one of them, and the vast majority of players doesn't have unlimited ressources, so for the major part of this game, Roy will be on equal footing with them.

I think Roy is going to be a monster, don't get me wrong. My post was only to point out that he is the only 1 of the 4 new units that didn't get the boost. If I was feeling especially angsty I could point out that he and Lancina don't get as many skills right out of the box either, but as you said they do get those incredibly rare/expensive specials, so I'll hold my entitled, millenial tongue...haha

Oh, and my Galeforce Armor March Effie is a monster that the world is/was not ready for. Death and destruction lie in her wake on any battlefield she traverses.

To be fair, they are the second placers. I think I'm happy how they managed to turn out even though they didn't get the first class treatment. They're all just bloody insane.

His bst is low but i honestly think he might be one of the best units out of choose your legends, if he has quickened pulse he can attack someone, get danced attack someone again, then attack again because of galeforce on the first round and with his speed and attack and cavalry buffs he should easily double and have more attack than units. similar to lyn accept he can take a hit from either physical or magic whereas lyn only counters magic
This isn't to do with stats but with how little he's being picked compared to lyn people will be running counters for her whereas he'll be free to destroy all ;3

Lyn has more than 2 extra BST, she has 5.
As she is RANGED and HORSE, she should have 144bst, but she has 149, which is even more than most ranged (147-149)