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Performing Heroes - Are they really that Powercreepy?

First, let's all agree that Performing Azura is absolutely powercreepy due to that legendary weapon.... I think they went too far.

But...provided that the others follow the BST formula...I don't think they're really all that bad. Combining the ranged and dancer BST penalties doesn't leave them with a lot of potential.

Plus, I'm not convinced that their new B slots - which are cool - are going to ultimately be more useful than Wings of Mercy. Though a big factor is if the bonus is stackable or not.

I mean, I have other complaints about the new units...namely that Fates & Awakening each already have more characters represented than any other entry in the series...but I don't think they're really all that powercreepy (aside from Azura). What do you think?

Asked by Kaihaku1 year 3 months ago
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by Drizzy 1 year 3 months ago

AZURA is awesome even if her bst is same as the original version just because of the weapon as you said.

Olivia should be also very good due to she can poison dagger+ and also be a dancer. Her color can both be a boon and bane.

The other 2 dancers aren't a big deal at all. To me they are more collecable items and fodders.

First of all the 2 mage dancers arent focus enough of a hero. Either you go full mage or not. If you strip them down to be like a mage, then that defeats their purpose. Their b skills are wasted for them being mages. Unless their IV are better than current top mages of those color, what's the point of them as mages.

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While Inigo and Shigure may look weak on the surface the fact that they are mages make them invaluable for a team. They may not have Azura's axe but with raven tome or blade tome they can fill the slot of mage on a team and still dance. Dont over look them (they are still dancers) and dont think them weak just because Azura and Olivia look good. They will perform great no matter what.

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Yeah, I think I'm one of the few people with you seeing more potential in Inigo and Shigure right now for an Arena offense team lol. Like if either of them can run a TA/Raven Tome set and take the place of one of my mages, that'd be really tempting to build out.

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by Cav829 1 year 3 months ago

I think people are really overreacting to Azura before even seeing her stats.

1) In order to buff someone, she's giving up her turn still. Also, the buffs only apply to the second action of the unit during a turn as Azura has to dance them to buff them.
2) Hone/Fortify buffs don't stack. So for example, she can't further buff a Brave Lyn's attack already under Hone Cavalry, which doesn't require giving up a turn.
3) You're putting her in your Green slot for Arena, a slot that is devoted to some of the best units in the game like Nino, Hector, Brave Ike, Julia, etc. There's so much competition for that spot, and going with a dancer there means either doubling up on greens or foregoing a bait or tank unit.

I think she'll be a pain in the ass for Arena defense, but I'm still not convinced about her for attack. The mages on the other hand could have more potential for attack depending on their stats as say a green Raven Tome dancer with TA might be able to check two colors *and* dance.

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About point N°2, you can always run a drive/spur skill on your axura to complement her buffs when she sings, that seems really strong if you ask me.
And about N°3, with the recent increase in quality blues, most team comps run a 2 blue, 1 red one green, or even no red at all, so going in with 2 green 1 blue one red doesnt seem bad at all.
Perhaps we could finally see a change in the color meta after the blue winter.

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I would more or less have to agree (assuming they don't get carried away with the BST, then all bets are off). My guess is that the new B slots will function similar to a regular Hone or Fortify buff so they wont stack. I would be very disappointed if they made these new B slots stack, a dancer shouldn't begin to replace buff units like Eirika and Ephraim (and yes i get it Azura kinda does due to her legendary).

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Inigo compresses both the roles of being a Dancer and Gronnraven+ user (assuming he has similar stats to his base form). Think about that. I frequently run Olivia/Ninian AND Raventome users. Now, in one, you can get dancing + a Reinhardt/Brave Lyn/Bridelia/Camus/Cecilia/Blucina/Blue mage counter or check... That's being severely underrated. Same, to a lesser extent with Shigure (I suspect he'll be speedy and viable with Blarblade+)

I think people are expecting something powercreepy, because that's what we've been getting. Largely began around the Sacred World banner iirc, then SEVERELY with CYL, which was excusable. But even Dauntless Crimeans pushed the limit with Elincia completely outclassing our tanky 2-hit brave sword nuke (Chrom) and our speedier brave quad attackers (Hana, Ogma) WITH access to movement buffs and better movement in general(!) lol. So yeah, at this point powercreep is just assumed, to some extent. You can even see it in their weapons - back in the day, legendary weapons had effects on par with lv 1-2 skills. Now they've all got multiple effects, sometimes lv. 3.

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Since they're all supportive units with low BST, even more so than the regular dancers (Azura not included), they won't be Brave heroes or Amelia and Elincia level of powercreep.
However, as supportive units, they're pretty insane.

Azura gets Sing and Rally Spectrum in one. Need a Sing? Easy. Need a Rally? Just randomly click twice and then sing. Not to mention the high SP cost skills she wants to run and her 400 SP Legendary weapon for Arena weighting.
Olivia gets dagger support and access to Poison Dagger, and it doesn't matter what her attack stat is since, unlike Kagero who's purely offensive, she's mainly going to be dancing anyways, Poison Dagger will be free damage for her.
Finally, the two kids can easily be ran on a Blade Tome team with Blade Tomes themselves and piggyback on the buffs to make up for their potential lose in stats. Or, they can pick up Raven!TA and be blue, red, and colourless checks.

They basically match Brave Lucina purely in terms of supportive potential.

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by Drizzy 1 year 3 months ago

Regardless of AZURA bst, she will be great. With her weapon buff, she basically can every class core stats and be useful in all party scenerios. Even better is she can carry that buff just between her and another hero.

Yes her buff won't stack with some other buffs, but at the same time it allows her to also if desired to carry b slot and c slot buffs which will be higher than her weapon buff. So 2 of the stats may be +4. You put that buff on a double or quad striker and you are raising their stats tremendously. You also buff that on attacker who also uses ignis or glacies type special and you increase their damage by a good amount all with mobile buff.

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One other thing to consider with these dancers are Panic Ploy users and those using the Panic Ploy Seal.

Both of those will probably come into play much more often since all stats will be buffed by one dance. The tables can easily be turned by these abilities if played correctly. You'll definitely not wanna suffer a reduction in all 4 stats at once. That would be tragic.

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Without seeing their stats, it's a little too early to assess. Among the four units, Inigo intrigues me the most. With a TA raven tome build, Inigo can hard counter both blue and colorless units while providing the dance utility when needed. This is power and versatility in one unit.

I think I'm going all green. RIP my wallet.

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by sivo 1 year 3 months ago

With the B slot i agree the real question is if they are stackable or not then Azura Axe would be insane to buff a stat to 7 example in this case atk rest 3..

But with this Heroes i think this Banner is actually a huge trap Banner because if i have seen it right the Banner stay atleast 30 days.
Will draw for atleast one green Dancer i guess Because we will see 100% Halloween Banner and actually not want to waste money next month^^.

Stats hmm lets see i actually belive Azura get same stats if not a little BST push of 2-3.

I know my sister love Inigo/Shigure so she will draw all her orbs in this Banner hehe . She cried today too she has no Orbs rdy and if i could pay xD.

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