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My overall take on the refines

Could have been better base effects, but the refines are dope.

To go more in depht.

Kinda wished the Robins has owl instead of raven, but it does fit them.
Their refine is nice though. A spectrum tactic means all your buffs can be focussed on one unit. Add in 2 drive skills and Robin is a very good stat battery, even if their combat is lacking.
I like it.

Navarre, I had to think about but...
He's made for special spiral. 3 turn specials all the time is quite a bit better than just raw stats. And with Lewyn on a good banner...
I would have prefered a firesweep, but ah well...

Ogma's weapon is nicer than I thought it'd be. With his attack, a build in heavy blade is quite nice. With his refine stat boost he seems nice for infantry teams.
Aether could work nice with his hp, and he could use infantry pulse for his team.
Overall quite a winner for our gladiator.

The whitewings..
Kinda wierd they all kept their base effects.
Which is nice for the lance duo, but Palla?
Still Palla shouldn't be fighting blues anyway. It's not aweful to have TA on a 16 mt weapon.
The refine itself is of the sort 'high cost, high reward' +3 to all stats is amazing for these girls and the follow-up attack works great since the girls do not have the greatest speed for fliers.
And pulling it off on fliers shouldn't be too hard, at least in enemy phase. A good time to use flier formation.

Overall Est and Ogma are probably the biggest winners
With Navarre, Catria and Palla being still pretty good.
Robin is sadly basicly support, but at least it gives them a role to fill.

Asked by Sir of Coffee3 weeks ago

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I like Robin's refine, but he really didn't need to keep the base Raventome effect. They could have easily given him an Owltome to help with his higher than normal for a mage defense.

Oh most certainly. That or a serpent tome effect.

Oof I have to disagree but I think the placements are about right. Est > Catria > Ogma > Navarre > Robins >>>>>>>> Palla. Triangle Adept? Really??? Alfonse opts out of it every time why would Palla want it? But yeah everyone kind of got a good refine here. Est was my favorite so I plan to refine her somewhere down the line.

I have to voice a disagree here.
TA makes Palla the worst of the three, I agree. But she should stick to fighting reds and greens anyway. Without TA she wouldn't be able to fight blues anyway.

And she still has the great triangle attack skill. There are a lot of nasty axe units that she can take on. And her balanced stats make use out of the stat boost very well.

I kinda would put Robin outside the ranking, since his is almost purely utility.

I disagree with Palla. I think her refine doesn't make her much better. I find that using a gem weapon is more of a hinderence than a benefit. The only reason I like Titania's refine is because she can play support really well by running three tactics.

As for the Robins I don't know if Spectrum Tactic is enough to make them a solid support unit for Arena plus we will have to wait for B Infantry Dual skill for Robin (M).

I might be alone on all of these ones.

As for Ogma and Catria... they are pretty freaking dope.

At the very least it allows your rest of the team to be flexible. Robin can spectrum buff and use 2 drives to boost the bonus ally on his own.
The rest of your team doesn't have to worry about buffs and they can focus on other things

Yep that is a valid point, but I just get this sinking feeling. There are refines that save a unit, and there are refines that get powercrept eithin the month. I am not sure if the refine is strong enough to truly give Robin this niche.

🙏🙏🙏🙏 Navarre's was godly. Instant Blue Flame basically if you put Special Spiral on him. Definitely the fist thing I'm doing when my game updates. I am a happy, happy, happy boy. So much new creativeness for future builds with him. My edgy boi is now and Edge Lord.

Navarre's is probably the most interesting to me.

The Whitewings' refines are awesome, as well as the fact they kept Est's and Catria's base effects, but Palla's base effect was also kept, which is screwing her over.

Ogma's is cool.

And the Robins. Boi, I have been waiting for a unit with Quad tactic abilities, it ain't funny.

I do not understand why people hate Tri adept so much. I still use that skill on some of my units to efficiently bait dragons and reinhardts and the like, still have it on Sanaki to be the perfect Surtr-killer (or anything green). If you even have an ounce of IQ you are able to avoid a triangle disadvantage, especially on a flying unit. It's still the most efficient way to deal with units with crazy stats up to now, cmon it essentially means 10 more Attack and Defenses, cant get that with any kind of stat boosting skill whatsoever. And it's especially useful for Arena assault, where you can send in an effective unit without having to do some major investment. Wish I had a good Sapphire Lance unit to fight those myrrhs and tikis, really.

Also, someone mentioned TA on Alfonse. Alfonse is a high defense Brawler who can run Ignus to take on Blues with double brazen effect, of course he doesnt go for the Tri Adept. But Pallas stats arent anywhere near that to take on blue units. She has real nice mixed Defenses to become an efficient Green Soak though. It works out perfectly.

And then people glorify Catria and Est for having a 16mt Slaying Lance/Spear that already exists a hundred times in this game, and better. I just don't get these people.

I disagree with your argument for Palla honestly and just Triangle Adept in general. Most units that need that boost against the color they are already supposed to be strong against aren't worth running to begin with. The second you give them that skill they become a 'one trick pony' and unless their 'trick' is support for modern arena they instantly become worse becasue of it. I am F2P and don't run TA on any units unless its to get a kill on a specific unit in a PvE map.

Now getting back to Palla. I do think that she is one of the units that may have needed the support from TA before the refine, but IMO the refine should have fixed that, and now the refine limits her ability to take hits from blue units.

TLDR: TA has it's time and place, but IMO a unit shouldn't need to rely on it to secure kills, or to survive a matchup in the first place, and Palla is hindered more than the other white wings as a result.

Still though, it's not that bad for Palla. Just not optimal.
Her refine is still great and she's accually can fight well using it.

I do get why it's not the best, but it's not something that negates the good her refine does.

And I think that if she has a slaying effect, Palla still would have struggled fighting lance units.
She doesn't have the atk or def to overcome the triangle disadvantage.

I'd say Catria > Eat. For Arena sure the Armor effectiveness is great, but a slaying Brave effect is probably better overall, countering WT is pretty much always done with Specials so that's a stronger effect overall.

My thoughts exactly. 31 34 offensive stats backed by 2 goads means that shell be able to quad units. Throw in heavy blade and thats 2 lunas per battle.
And her good mixed bulk allows her to get into desp range easily