The only way those units can really be usable is with a weapon refine which has been happening with many generic units such as saber who had good offenses but were easily trampled by Ayra, Mia, Soleil, Karla, etc.
My advice is to wait for a refine for the units you’re thinking of...the only truly useless red that I found was Seliph even after he could refine for Sigurd’s weapon he was still mostly trash. But in this game any unit can be usable if you put in enough effort
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