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Is Lissa slept on?

Not only have not seen any talk about her, but the tier list also puts her at Tier 2. I never bother to check the tier list, but it seems strange she wouldn't be Tier 1. Not only does her BST ties in with Hardin (and +Atk superboon Grima, for whatever it's worth), but her stats are very well spread. Her lowest stat in Spd is not even that low, at only 30.

Much like Hardin, she also starts out with Bold Fighter when they'd prefer Vengeful. Her initial weapon also really synergises with Enemy Phase builds, since it's +2 to everything when initiated...which makes her a really good candidate for Distant Counter, a skill which I'm pretty reluctant towards.

The only thing I see is literally the fact she's a seasonal. That's it.

Asked by Nogitsune5 months ago

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I don't think any of the green armored units are "Tier 1" on this site except for M!Grima and the Hector variants.

I feel like that Tier 2 (out of 7) is well deserved. Lissa is a good unit, but limited accessibility, lack of in built DC or personal weapon, middle of the pack speed, separate her from the greats.

lets say you take 5 points out of speed and put them anywhere else, Lissa would be an absolute powerhouse.

But H!Jakob is also limited in accessibility, doesn't have Close Counter or a prf weapon, and god-awful speed, yet he's Tier 1...

But W!Tharja is supposedly Tier 2.

Thing is, her Spd is not at the range where it's absolutely useless like a lot of traditionally defensive characters. With a boon, 33 starts avoiding a couple of doubles, and then you factor in stuff like maybe Fury as well as Hone Armour...that's already 42 Spd without a Seal, and it's pretty close from avoiding getting doubled by Ayra, while still being pretty tanky (since she can use the S-slot for something like Close Def) and still have Vengeful Fighter...stuff like that.

And she's still an Armour, meaning she has access to said skills that make them broken. To top it all off, said stat spread.

H!Jakob is not Tier 1, H!Jakob + Brave Bow/Bold Fighter is Tier 1. If W!Tharja had a Brave Tome she'd be Tier 1+

...So you're saying that Jakob isn't Tier 1, but a specific set ON Jakob is Tier 1..?

H!Jakob has two Recommended sets on his page, and, from what I can gather about this site, most, if not all, of its recommendations and ratings are for Arena. I can't really see why they'd recommend a build if it's not a "highest tier possible" build.

Unless there's something on his character page that says that one of the recommended sets is Tier 1 while the other recommended set is not, which I could've missed, then... no. I can't see that really being a thing.

It's the reason that a lot of Tome users are "ranked" lower then they feel like they should be: less unique weapon options and more restrictions to available skills than most other weapon types.

I can't claim to know what the analysis writers on this site think, but I imagine that they regard all three forms of Hector so highly that they believe no other Green Axe can even hope to compare.

One Hector runs the omnibreaker with Wary Fighter + double Quick Riposte, the other has Specials active all of the time with Wrath in both weapon and B-Skill slots, and the third can run the Enemy Phase omnibreaker with just one Quick Riposte while having the ability to attack twice on Player Phase with Bold Fighter.

W!Lissa is a really good unit, but I don't think she breaks the game quite like some of the other Hector do--except the original one since L!Hector can just do so much better than he can, and I don't really see how he's still Tier 1.

I guess it's because Hector exists. Hector is relatively more common than Lissa, and his variants are all better, and I mean, if you have both Lissa and Hector, would you use them both? Would you choose Lissa? Probably not

Lissa can run a mixed-tank build better than Hector can all day every day, so I don't think the two can really be compared since they can run completely different roles.

That's true, but Lissa would require more investment compared to Omnibreaker Hector, so I'm assuming those are among the factors that made her Tier 2 instead of Tier 1. She is a good unit though, no denying it.

I don't think this site really factors in the amount of investment needed.

Myrrh is considered to be Tier 1, yet her "Recommended" set requires Distant Counter.

H!Jakob is also Tier 1, yet one of his "Recommended" sets requires Bold Fighter while the other requires Close Counter.

Okay, I just peeped at the Arena Offense Tier List criteria and you're right, they don't consider SP investment AND availability. When you take that out of the equation, then I don't see why Lissa is considered inferior to OG Hector.

- what the fuck is an "Omnibreaker"
- While it's true all three Hectors are really badass, I can see her as bottom of T1, at worst.

Wary Fighter + Quick Riposte seal + Armads Quick Riposte allows a Breaker effect on every weapon (Hector double attacks while the enemy can't), thus an Omnibreaker. I don't know man, I didn't create the name

Guess that's pretty broken, yeah...Armours just got pretty stupid after Bold & Vengeful. lol

Ill aslo add. That if you look at the tier list.....ull notice a trend. The higher up u go the mpre broken PRF weapons become.
Tier 1 is almost EXCLUSIVELY made up of units with prf ( the sole exception being jacob). this is because bst and stat allocations can only do so much for a unit. They also need a little extra something to push them over the edge to create aniche that only they can fullfill.

i think lissa is tier 2 due to having low atk when compared to recent additions of green armors having base 40 atk and some having superboon in atk.(lissa has 7 less atk meaning bold fighter is doing 14 less damage then other green tank like grima hector and chrom. she loses out on 28 extra atk if using brave weapon bold fighter set making her look significantly weaker then others). in arena, most the time u are player phasing and only enemyphasing to gain a strategical advantage. while u can run quad build with lissa and make her a nice offensive tank, the others with the same build just does it better. to make things worse, she has no unique skill to call her own. at least jakob has bracing blow that no other units have. she is a great green armor to have, but when u have a great Mgrima or a Lhector, or a atk+spd- Hjakob, would u really use her over them and bench them?

...But, most of the time, H!Jakob isn't even using Bracing Blow, not to mention it really isn't that much of a desired skill over others.

Jakob's two recommended sets don't even use Bracing Blow, and, if I recall, this site doesn't take into account a unit's base kit unless it's completely unique, and un-inheritable, like Regnal Astra.

just saying if the player wanted to, they can use it, even if its not desired like all the op skills. lissas weapon is the exact same as Wchrom. hardin also has bold fighter and easier to get. bonfire, if i recall correctly robin has that and he is 3 star. fortify armor? we have SHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNAAAAAAA
what does jakob have? potential to be op. panic ploy-like weapon that no other bow has. bracing blow that no one has even if its sheet. plus hes cool, just look at that bow using lightning for the string. lissa? a phacking bell. when i got jakob i first thought, quad bow build! what did i think when i pulled lissa? bold fighter fodder for my jakob who isnt even optimal ivs XD while my lissa was optimal