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I just came up with some refine ideas.

In short, it's those legendary golden weapons you can find in Echoes. They have effects similar to Ephraim's and Eirika's Brace skills.

Gray [and/or Tobin]
Astral Blade - 11 MT
Base: Inflicts -5 Spd. When unit initiates attack, unit attacks twice.
Special Refine: If offensive special triggers, boosts damage by 20-30%. (Before adding damage from special.)

Clive [and/or Mathilda]
Solar Lance - 16 MT
Base: Accelerates Cooldown -1
Special Refine: If offensive special triggers, Heals HP = 30% damage dealt. (Stacks with effects like Sol.)

Faye [and/or Leon]
Lunar Bow - 14 MT
Base: Distant Defense (bc why not?)
Special Refine: If offensive special triggers, adds damage = 30% foe's defense. (After adding damage from special.)

{Side note: Narcian could get something very similar to that Solar Lance, but I'd change CDR to +10SD. And Canas could get something very similar to that Lunar Bow, but I'd rather have Owltome effect at base.}

Asked by Pacmaniac3 weeks 5 days ago

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They seem kinda weak through. You need to powercreep these weapons. Like throw in effectiveness and Wrath on shit at random

If keeping these effects, the only thing I can think to do is increase percentages slightly and give Clive and Faye +10 Special Damage instead of the bases I've given them.

So...that weapon has the brave effect with no speed loss? Yikes.

I didn't realize that.

But yeah -5 spd.

I was hoping Gray to retain his Calvary-slayer status tho.
Also Faye to retain as a Firesweep bow.

Clive is meh, 49 Atk (w prf) + 25 Spd means Clive dont double much. So charging up special is hard and when u fire the special its only an extra 30% heal?? Boosts 30% Atk sounds like a good deal.

The Astral Blade could fit on any Echoes sword unit, I just picked Gray because he has no reason to be 5 star exclusive.

You really want Faye to keep a Firesweep effect with as low of a speed she has? Firesweep is for offensive units with high attack and speed unless you're trying to create something crazy.

And that's why you put an enemy phase set on Clive. If you can tank, use Quick Riposte, and deal back heavy Ignis damage, your HP should greatly be refilled if your first attack didn't do much. (This refine effect works like Legendary Ephraim's Solar Brace.)

> Gray is calm.

> Why not? Because the base build you give Faye already exists with a Guard Bow. Everyone who uses Faye likely has a Guard Bow and you just shove this same crap onto their face again?? If her speed is too low for firesweep double, make her similar to Lilina then? Why must she only be a tank and not a nuke? If you give ppl new base, you give them more ideas to build.

> More QRs build recycle.

I mean, if they wanna keep the Firesweep effect, I can see something like granting a follow-up based on a stat comparison like Resistance or Defense for a refine. But that's about it, plus the Lunar Bow would have to go to someone else, because it's not the Lunar Bow anymore.

Mae's the one I want most to get a refine from Echoes. Something lightning based and hopefully as overpowered as Ragnarok. She's one of the few I really like in Echoes and I've got a 5* version ready to learn the refine and I'm working on building a 4* merge copy ready for her.