How much do you like default Robin/Corrin ?

I love Corrin/Kamui. Ever since she was announced.

I never played Fates, but Robin was my favorite Awakening character; he sorta has to be, I generally like myself. I really enjoy playing a character who is pretty much entirely dictated by my own choices depending on what situations the game throws at me. It's one of the reasons I really like Monster Hunter. I mean, games won't entirely be able to fulfill that idea, but it is fun to pretend what you would be like if you weren't, well, you. The character without you included is really, really bland. They are built that way so that when you add yourself into the mix, the character can become you, but more likeable and enjoyable. People who like to imagine and can place themselves into that character really take to Robin and Corrin.

A lot of people hate self inserts, and the player avatars by extension. Some older fans also tend to look down on Fates and Awakening in general. So I think that's mostly what impacts it. I don't fully understand it myself.

Awakening was my first game that I played in the series and still so far is my favorite. So of course I love Robin. I couldn't finish Fates because I really disliked the plot of those games, but I found the characters to be very good -- Corrin included. My attachment to the characters was what ultimately kept me from playing any all the way though.

It just felt like a slap in the face that you could marry someone in one play through and be forced to watch them die and not be able to avoid it in another. I felt like it was trying to be edgy for the sake of it rather than actually advancing the story.

Anyways, that was my rant. Sorry to go on like that.

Meh. I love MY Robin, but don't care as much for the generic Robins or Corrins. I guess because there is a bit of nostalgia attached to my Robin, but since she looks quite a bit different than the one used as "Default", it detaches me from those memories, and I see them as what they are: a blank slate, self-insert... Which is fine for their source games, but doesn't hold up against characters with actual personalities, like Hector, for example.

I found Corrin harder to like, even on my own play through of Fates, so it goes without saying that I don't care for them in Heroes.

The avatars, minus mark and kris... here we go!

First off, Corrin as a character, put simply, is the supreme leader of the Mary Sue archetype. He/She is protrayed as so perfect and likeably in game, that it hurts her character. As a unit (in fates), they are godly, but as a character, they fall flat on their face.

Robin, on the other hand, is a good unit and an alright character, since they actually have one. He/She is protrayed as a stratagist and overall nice person, but can be somewhat of an a-hole and tease people. With the exception of the somewhat stupid third act of awakening, robin is a character I like.

Overall, Corrin is a Mary Sue, and Robin is likeable, that’s my opinion on them.

Corrin is an idiot. In particular, on the Nohr/Conquest path, she displays such a level of naivety and stupidity that I actively wanted her to lose to the most obvious cartoonishly evil villain in Fire Emblem history because she's too dumb to tie her own shoelaces.

Robin on the other hand was one of the more interesting takes on a Fire Emblem main character. It's like they separated the typical FE protagonist into two character: Chrom as the muscle-bound braun while he's the brains. Or you could almost argue you play the "advisor" character to Chrom who is actually the main character. Also by default he's a magic user as opposed to a sword-lord, so he sticks out even more for that reason.

I kinda liked Robin in awakening, hes one of the characters that actually dont suck. While i dont like the cliche "i dont remember who i am" i think its actually acceptable in the story, and they did a good job of making him enjoyable.

Corrin on the other half was terrible. Badly written, obnoxious, too much of a perfect hero, even by FE standards.

All in all i still dislike self inserts in general, so robin gets a barely passing Mark (see what i did there?) while Corrin is absolutely forgettable.

Not sure what you mean exactly by "poor performance," but F!Corrin is in the final match up now...

I doubt her numbers have caught up to the monster that is Ninian atm, but I mean getting to the finals generally means you didn't perform poorly lol

Come on guys, cut Corrin some slack. It’s a hard life being a protagonist in a story with no plot lol.

Ooh, this is a fascinating thread.

Me, I like Corrin (with some caveats), but I *love* Robin. She is literally my favorite. (Male Robin is also cool, but female Robin is "my" Robin.) See, I came to Fire Emblem because I started to main Robin in Smash 4. She was this really technical mage character that appealed to me tremendously, and eventually I decided I had to seek out the game where she came from. So when I started to play Awakening, I already had this image of "Robin" as a distinct person in my head, and I couldn't think of her as just a player avatar. I kept the name Robin and only changed her appearance a little, and while I identified with her and guided her actions, she wasn't entirely "me", in a similar vein to any RPG that has a pre-defined player character instead of a customizable avatar. And Robin was cool, she was badass, she had really weird taste in food, she was talented, she was a little bit dorky, and she got to be the lynchpin of the action in a way that female characters frequently don't, and I grew so incredibly fond of her as a result. Sometimes I worry that it sounds a little messed up and narcissistic to say that Awakening's player avatar is my favorite Fire Emblem character, but the fact is that she's so much more than a blank slate and she'll always be more than a player avatar to me.

Corrin could have been cool like Robin, but she fell victim to Fates' terrible writing. She has some strong points and I actually like her quite a bit, but I don't deny that parts of her character fall flat and feel implausible in a way that Robin didn't. (Who'd've guessed that the amnesiac with an inexplicable gift for military strategy would be the *more* plausible character?) But I try not to blame Corrin for the fact that her game's writing was terrible. If I were a more ambitious fanfic writer I would try to rewrite Fates' story in a way that made more sense, because Corrin deserves better than what she got. Maybe one day, if I ever get bored with playing Heroes in my spare time. ;)

Hmmm...interesting question. For me, Robin had a bit of personality built-in despite being a self-insert character that isn't washed away by your choices of attire or minor in-game choices, and even that differs a bit based on gender. Male Robin seems a bit more level-headed and calm, yet is a total nerd for books and tactics. He also seems to have a little bit of a sarcastic wit that comes across in some supports, but like his female counterpart is genuinely kind and honest as much as possible. Female Robin seems a bit more outgoing and leans a bit more on the snark, but both have personalities there beyond what we put into them. They make tough decisions in the game that seem a bit cold comparatively to other lords. The sacrificing of Basillo and the diversionary force in particular comes to mind; it's an impossible decision, but shows that Robin will make the tough choices when needed.

I can't say I cared for Corrin all that much. Don't hate them, but the naivety just kind of rubbed me the wrong way in a game where I found myself invested less and less in the plot the further in I went. It feels like they checked off every box for Corrin; leader, Lord, dragon, lost royal heir, siblings, magic wielded, legendary sword. Nothing felt unique about a character who could do it or be it all.

Ultimately, I found the Robins to have a more engaging story and personality than Corrin. I tend to narrate games myself when things are happening, like Honest Trailers or something, and I found it funny that Robin had a lot of the same reactions in supports that I did. I also tend to have that nerdier personality and disposition that Male Robin does, so I felt connected to him more than other self-inserts. And he's a magic lord, which is fun and different. He's still one of my favorites to this day in the series and in Heroes, along with Hector, Ike and Lyn. I think the key takeaway comparatively is that if you want an avatar, let them have a personality to stand on beyond just players inserting their own.