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Heroes who shouldn't be in the 5* pool

I've been thinking for a while about heroes I would downgrade to keep them from clogging up the 5* pool. From the sound of it, I'm not the only one. (Plus they haven't increased the 3*-4* pool at all since launch, let's get some variety into the endless parade of Wrys and Jagen please!)

Who do you want to banish from the 5* pool? Here is my (partial) list:

*M!Corrin (not a bad unit, I actually like him, but he's outclassed by most other sword lords and has garbage skills)
*Cain
*Roy (also outclassed by most other sword lords, although I admit I have ulterior motives for this, as I really want easier access to 4* TA)
*Peri
*Clair
*Camilla
*Merric
*Jakob
*Lachesis (she's so incredibly useless and I hate her stats so much. Can you tell I've been burned?)
*Speaking of Lachesis, let's just admit they need to move every damn healer out of the 5* pool, with the possible exception of Genny (who should at least be put in 4*-5*). Healers don't get 5* weapons, and Genny's the only (non-limited) healer with a cool 5* exclusive skill to make her worth summoning at 5*. Everyone else's skills can be gotten at 4*, making 5* healer summons pretty much junk.

Edit: HOW DID I FORGET MATHILDA.

Asked by SourPeridot1 year 2 months ago

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How dare you! I got a +Atk -HP 5* Merric and was overjoyed! He's one of my favorite FE mages! And why Cain as well?

I can see Cain, but I have to agree. Merric is a really awesome chunky green mage rivaling the likes of Boey and F!Robin. And Rexcaliber is a pretty decent weapon, as well. I would say he deserves his spot.

Yeah, he has a Legendary weapon in Excalibur with a pretty good effect.

Cain because I'm not sure how much use he has when we have so many other really good sword cavalry (Xander, Eldigan, Brave Roy, and now Sigurd). Plus it would give us easier access to 4* WoM.

Merric...maybe I just haven't built him right, but there are so many good green mages, I've had a hard time finding a good niche for him.

Finally some love for Merric. I also run a +atk (but -def) version, and he functions very well as a green mrobin for things like AA/SA. Just wish there were more squad assaults to utilize him on, since AA doesn't inspire me to play after I've locked down a sufficient # of coins.

Peri was my waifu on fire emblem fates... So dislike

My friend hates Peri and had a 5* ruin his pity rate...

This is me. I actually sent her home (after using her for squad assault for a few months :p)

Roy is already able to be summoned at 4 stars. I had one that I sacrificed to Spring Camilla for his Triangle adept. That being said, his brave version does make him somewhat overly redundant. At least with the other Brave Heroes, they were pretty useful with minimal investment, but Roy has been utterly outclassed by his new iteration.

I think Athena needs to be dumped from the 5 star summon pool, but maybe that's just me. Karen, too. And honestly Cordelia, even though I love her a lot.

Roy is a 4*-5* unit, I'm proposing downgrading him to 3*-4*. He has his Brave version for people who want an actually good 5* Roy.

I'd keep Camilla and Cain in there, just because it's a chance for access to brave weapons without feathers (I've drawn 5* Camilla twice, never Raven, so I feel like having a couple options is good).

Hard agree on the healers. They should all be 3* - 4*, except maybe Elise (4* - 5*), and Genny (who should probably stay 5* exclusive, just because of how useful her unique skill is).

I'd also punt Caeda, Catria, Rebecca, and Ogma down to 3-4*.

Remember, just because they'd be summonable at 3 and 4 stars wouldn't mean you'd get their 5 star skills without promoting them.

Yeah, but I don't think any of the ones I want to downgrade have great 5* skills.

Oh I think I misunderstood your post when I first read it.

I guess I see what you're saying, but given how they hand feathers out like candy these days I'd rather them be out of the summon pool rather than "saving me" 20k feathers. But I see your side of the coin.

I can tell you though from pulling 2 5 star Abels it was "nice," but not worth the pity breaker.

Yeah that's true... I've realized that the vast majority of my units use legendary weapons anyway.

I'd add a couple of other units to that list (all of which I agree with):

Gray: Is there any harm in making Red Sword Valor available to more players? He's not really useful for much else, though his weapon is good on a few other characters.

Seth: A mid-tier cavalry unit without a legendary weapon. No value whatsoever as a 5 star.

Seliph: Garbage inheritable skills.

Caeda: Given how Elincia has removed what little niche she once had, there's no harm at least making her more available to players for her skills and if they want a different red flier than Palla.

Hawkeye: Garbage outside inheritables.

Titania: Somehow the worst green cavalry unit is the only 5 star. Seems backwards, and making Guard more available would help mitigate Quickened Pulse/Special cheese.

Catria: The only more forgettable flier than Clair is Catria.

Mathilda: Secretly perhaps the worst non-colorless five star in the game.

OH GOD, I FORGOT ABOUT SETH.

Hawkeye: db3 tho
Mathilda: ca3 tho

plus I'd keep gem weapon+ units for inheritance

I would rather spend the 20k feathers to promote either personally, especially when Klein has DB3 at 4 stars. Cancel Affinity is just too niche of an ability.

Gem weapons just aren't useful enough IMO to worry about locking at 5 stars. Especially when the base versions of them are sufficient in most cases.

I mean think about it: you have to spend 20k feathers if you want a + version of Gronnblade or Blarblade, and those are more desirable than gem weapons for most players. Also, you can always have banners every so often for 5 star versions of such characters like they did with the Blade Tome banner.

I can see what you're saying, but me personally I'd rather use my 20k feathers on units I'll use/merge than a si fodder. Perfect example: you want more blade+, well I'm sure you'd rather pull a 5* Odin, have blarblade+ and moonbow rather than spending 20k feathers you could have spent on another unit. At least in my experience, getting the best weapon for your units has seemed like the hardest part of training them.

Of course the obvious solution is to make all weapons that aren't legendary from the game 4* learnable or reduce the cost to promote units

No, honestly I don't want Odin in the 5 star pool. Oh god that'd be awful. It takes less than two weeks right now to earn 20k feathers. I'm perfectly fine with how things are atm lol.

Like I said, I understand what you're saying, but just understand I think most players are of the opposite mindset (based on the reaction people had to the Blade Tome banner), and I think the solution of moving those units out of the 5 star pool but occasionally having banners for them at 5 stars would be a good compromise. If anything, then you could snipe whatever specific weapon you're in need of, so it'd be better for your situation.

MATHILDA. I meant to put her on my list and I forgot. I *wish* she were less useless, because I love her in Echoes, but seriously, talk about a worthless 5*.

Want to know something embarrassing? I've been operating on the assumption that Caeda was a 3*-4* unit since launch, because her stats are so garbage I just assumed. (Needless to say, I was getting increasingly weirded out by the fact that I've never pulled her.)

I agree with the rest of your list as well. ;)

I agree with everything except your comment about Catria. While Catria doesn't belong in the 5* pool, she is perfectly usable and is one of the best Firesweep Lance users in the game. Meanwhile Clair is useless outside of Hit and Run fodder.

Agreed. Before inherent skill became a thing, she was one the best non-brave-lance flier in the game, pretty much.

I don't necessarily agree with any of these (except maybe Lachesis because she and other healers tend to ruin pity rates) because they're all summonable at 4 stars, too. Is there anyone who's a 5 star exclusive (and not a healer) that you think shouldn't be? In terms of like, role, I don't think characters like Gray and Amelia should be, considering they're villagers/trainees akin to Donnel, who you can get for free. But because of the skills that all these units are coming out with, IntSys clearly wants to keep them valuable.

What skills does Gray have of that much value? Almost nobody uses any of the skills he comes with save Red Tome Valor for leveling. People even remove Zanbato on him in favor of Brave Sword in the middle of the Cavalry Meta. I think the only unit I've run into with Zanbato in Arena is a Palla. The problem is there are so many legendary red weapons there are few options you'd even consider Zanbato for.

The Elemental Boost skills were the biggest wet fart skills added to the game since launch.

I don't think Luke should be 5* exclusive. Been trying to get my hands on him to be my melee cav unit and I'd be okay promoting him. Highest atk sword cav in the game (before Sigurd showed up) and his mirror Rody is available at 4*

Not to mention Rody has a much better weapon, though Luke has one of the most sought after skills in the game -- Panic Ploy.

My goal isn't necessarily to make all of these heroes more available (with a couple of exceptions), although that will be a side effect. My goal is to remove garbage summons from the 5* pool.

The obvious 5* exclusive that I think shouldn't be is Genny; I think she should be 4*-5*. Her stats aren't good enough to justify her rarity, and her chief value is in her exclusive 5* skill. Make her a 4*-5*, and we'll have slightly easier access to Wrathful Staff (while still having to spend 20k feathers to get the good version), but if we do happen to summon her at 5* it's not a totally worthless summon, because hey, free Wrathful Staff.

Keep Camila. I need more brave axe+ fodder as it is (since I haven't gotten one for Cheche yet)

My choices are: Jakob, Rebecca, Boey, Soren (IS screwed him over), Mae, Clair, Catria, Lukas, Peri, Lilina, Gray, Caeda

These units offer you absolutely nothing by being 5*. Also make Klein's qr inheritable at 4* and he can get taken out of the 5* pool since everyone uses him to get db/qr. Swap for Gordin

Also make Odin and Nino 5* for blade+

We already got Tailtiu for Blarblade+. We need a Gronnblade+ user, let it be Nino or another one (which is probably what's going to happen).

I don't see Tailtiu staying 5* after the banner, but she would be better than Odin. I 100% would want Nino instead. Rein pretty much dominates the blue tome category anyway, give us a gronnblade+

I think only the iconic characters should be 5 star. Lyn, lucina, robin, ryoma, ike, tharja, nephenee, alm, celica, azura, hector, marth, roy, all the brave heroes, ayra, sigurd, dierdre, reinhardt, corrin, girl corrin, eldigan, seliph, genny, elise, xander, leo, maybe camilla, and MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!! WRYS!!!! (4 da memes)

forgot to mention some others (like archers) but you get the gist

If we're talking memes bring in Moulder the boulder at 5* exclusive

I know he has a legendary weapon, but Jaffar just...sucks?

It's a shame too - his kit sounds so cool on paper.

You forgot Seliph, Caeda, and Catria.

I don't get it, instead of Peri and Cain, why not Luke and Roderick?

Every 5* focus hero so far has yet to be downgraded to a 3*, the only 5* focus hero that got downgraded to a 3* was Robin M, we're getting overstocked with 5*s

Roderick at least has an interesting weapon to pass to someone, but I wouldn't be opposed to downgrading him either. Luke probably should've been on my list, honestly, I just recently got him while I was trying for Sigurd. At least he has some nice rare skills, but those would also be nice to have at 3*-4*.

Pretty sure Robin was never part of the regular 5* pool, he just happened to be a focus unit at the beginning.

Ugh I totally agree on Cain. I didn't even know he was available at 5*, and he totally ruined my pity percent on the Performer Banner.

I also sniped 5* Peri with my free summon on the Threaten Def Banner, and she has turned out to be completely useless.

Ogma... I like him as a character, but he's a unit that I just don't believe should be up there... Of course, this is coming from a person who got his GotHW TT pity rate destroyed by Ogma, so this is biased by quite a bit.