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Elincia's retarded

So one would think that a character with an 11-Mt Brave with only a 2 Spd penalty would be given some kind of balance, maybe in the form of low Spd (lower than 30). You know, since they're also giving her Death Blow on top of an also good Atk-stat.

She packs the same offensive spreads as people like Lucina, Raven and Tana, who have among the best Atk/Spd combos. The fact that her Spd is effectively 34 means it's not hard at all to get her to Quad levels with only L&D and maybe a Spd seal (that's already 39, nevermind a +Spd Elincia).

That isn't to say Nephenee isn't her fair share of broken, with disgusting Spd/Def combo as well as decent Atk to boot. And nevermind the fact that they should just take Killers off the game at this point, since they're literally just worse versions of "Slayer" types.

Oscar got the shit-end of the stick, and it's sad because his offensive spread is also very competent and Rody-like. That's the exact same thing they did to Seth.

Asked by Nogitsune1 year 3 months ago

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Elicina ties with Chrom on matching atk boons and Deathblows for damage per hit, with better speed to avoid double hits as well as higher mobility as a flier. Her speed/damage also will surpass Hana on either atk or spd boon as a quad brave sword unit, also with better mobility. Using a res bane to both and L&D let's Hana withstand a single point more damage for the 'one shot tolerance' compared to Elicina, but Hana also suffers from more doubles due to her spd not going above 39 with a boon, whereas Elicina hits 42 with the same boon thanks to her sword.

She is literally the ultimate Brave sword unit for both the single attack smack, or the speedy quad build, outclassing both previous tittle holders as a single unit.

She doesn't "suffer from more doubles". No one (and I mean hardly anyone/no outlier) is doubling you at 39 Spd. You're hardly getting doubled at said Spd tiers, so I'd hardly even bother going there.

Keyword realistically.

Most people are running +Atk Hana for quad builds anyways however, leaving her at a mere 36 speed, much easier to get doubled by the 41 tier and there are cases where L&D users hot 44 speed easy as well, it's just less often used.

However Elicina will score a lot more quads with that extra 3 speed over Hana on both neutral or boon speed stat values and thus still has a superior offensive output.

Oscar definitely has potential, with a +spd nature he reaches 40 spd with fury, not factoring in horse buffs. He's just very SI dependent, since basically nothing in his base kit is really all that good at a high level. This is just Sacred World 2.0, with Elincia/Neph being the Amelia/Tana of the banner, and well...

But yeah, I was shocked that they gave Elincia Lucina's offensive stats considering her weapon, the fact that she has better movement, and access to class buffs. She's definitely on par with CYL units, so the power creep is real, to a certain extent.

That's the thing with Oscar. His offensive spread isn't too different than Elincia's, but like you said, they did the exact same thing to him as they did with Seth (except Seth pretty much always wants +Spd). But it's really easy to overlook him next to the other two, and especially Elincia.

Elincia is definitely very strong but imo, isn't as op as you make it out to be because she is very squishy (even more so if you run LnD) and brave lyn, who is owned by probably 90% of the player base, exists. Reinhardt is also very dangerous for her as he has more reach and will ORKO her no problem. Her low hp and def means that if she doesn't kill, she is most likely dead when enemy retaliates / counter attacks.

Elincia is blessed with very good offensive stat line but is primarily, a player phased focused unit and loses a lot of power during enemy phase.

Overall, I am still more scared of a well built Ryoma, Ike, and Black Knight in arena (who are very strong and obnoxious to deal with during both player and enemy phase) and they will likely remain to be top class in red sword category (though Elincia definitely takes best red flier).

I think I do place a heavy emphasis on a great offense, but that's actually because the game really does reward you for it. There's usually always a way to mitigate said drawbacks, whether it'd be in the way of Reposition, a refreshing unit, Desperation or just a mix of all the above. It's a rare case in which Elincia won't kill, unless you're obnoxiously throwing her at a clear disadvantage (aka Blues). Hell, an L&D3 +Spd Elincia can actually QuadLuna a Fury Camus to death, as a somewhat ridiculous example.

While I'm quite a geek for these number at times, I do get what you're saying. I still think she's pretty dumb, but probably only in essence. The only real thing that stops her from being broken is probably either lacking range, mobility- or both.

I agree with your points. My primary team used to be a double blade tome nuker team with buff bot Eirika and WoM dancer, so the emphasis on great offense is justified and I can see it's value. You are also right in that she is dumb, definitely an offensive monster and probably does offense the best out of all red swords due to her amazing wep and stat line.

The main reason why I think Ryoma / Ike / Black Knight is slightly better overall is because of their ability bait and kill ranged units during enemy turn while maintaining a very solid offense (even tho they don't do offense as well as Elincia and all 3 have very clearly defined weaknesses). Don't get me wrong tho, I definitely think Elincia is top class in and out of flier teams as well.