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Do you think there will be new 4-5 stars and 3-4 stars this year?

Simple question really, do you think IS will do a mass demotion like last year? I honestly just hope that Ephraim, Lyn, Ike, Azura, Ryoma, Hinoka, Alm, Celica, Lucina, Saber, Linde, Minerva, Katarina, Gray, Faye, Genny, Sonya, Julia, Lene, Olwen, Hector, Karel, Jaffar, Tana, Mist, Sanaki, Sumia, Takumi, Leo, Elise, Shiro, Siegbert, and Rhajat. (Yes, I did read off the catalog). I want to hear others thoughts on it too.

Asked by Thot Slyr4 weeks 1 day ago

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I believe that there will be a mass demotion but I honestly don't see Alm, Ryoma, Hector, Shiro, or Siegbert being demoted. The others yes.

Honestly I can see Ryoma getting demoted he doesn't have any big skills for fodder, Alm no mainly because he is probably the best Falchion user as of right now with that Brave Falchion, Hector is a big no no on demotion IS loves the money they make from whales and Hector is one of their big money makers thanks to DC

If he doesnt deserve to be demoted why dont they put Alm on a banner? I say they should do it

Hector and Alm probably won’t get demoted anytime soon, but Ryoma isn’t as good as he once was. Shiro is outclassed by Nephenee and Ephraim. Siegbert is also outclassed by Brave Roy, Ares, and Swordhardt.

Wasn't the mass demotion in April of this year though?

Edit: Yes, it was.

Yes it was.

Other units like Eldigan, Delthea, F!Kana, Luke, Leif and Innes should be demoted as well. I do agree with some of the units that you listed, but units like Sumia, Hector or Takumi probably won’t be demoted.

I agree with everyone you mentioned except for F!Kana. Putting her in the 4-5 star pool makes Dragon meta even worse. You’re probably right though about Sumia and Hector not being demoted, but I think Takumi could be demoted since you get him for free as a 4 star.

I can make a whole list of definites and maybes, but I'll do it when I have Wifi.

Hector and Takumi have absolutely no reason being demoted.

Hector probably won’t, but I can see Takumi being demoted because he’s free as a 4 star.

I'm against demotions. I feel that demoting units is just a patch to the bigger problem and if IS succumbs to the players demands, then it won't be too long until they start asking for more. It will become a never ending cycle that can only lead to the destruction of the game's economy. Right now we already have players saving hundreds of orbs in a few months to +10 a unit. If said unit was to be demoted in a few more months, then there's nothing stopping them from waiting a bit longer.

Your post is a clear example of that mentality. The last demotions happened a few month ago, not a year; yet you feel like it was a long time ago. If IS does demote the units you listed, in 6 months you will be back here asking for a new batch of units to become 4*.

What we need is ideas that will fix the problem for good. Something that will allow player bigger access to skills (like a combat manual shop similar to the heroic grails one), and others that will address the crowded summoning pools, and that should revolve around separating the units in diferent pools so they are not always the same. Legendary banners (no 5* off focus pool) and 3-4* banners (new focus 4* pool) were good examples of that. Even the current 2-man ones are a step on the right direction as they at least address red hell (chances of pulling a red off-focus 5* are higher than pulling a red focus one due to the crowded pool). Demotions will not.

The problem is that some units really don't have any reason being 5* exclusive. Azura, for instance, has no reason being one. They've already shown twice that they don't mind having 4* singer/dancer units, and our only 4* of these types are both red. Having one blue unit of this type will not kill anyone.

Luke is another example. With the addition of Grails, Panic Ploy fodder has become more accessible than ever, rendering Luke's entire 5* existence meaningless aside from, what, Fireboost fodder?

And let's not forget that being 5* exclusives makes it harder for people to actually merge them up if they ever wanted to. Even if they did separate the regular pool from the focus pool, it'd take a while to get something like a +10 Azura simply because she's a 5* exclusive.

And they literally just "gave" us a green ranged singer with an exclusive tome

I completely forgot about her existence, lol.

The reason is the character itself. If you want lance Azura, you need to hunt her at 5*. No need for anything else. There are people who will spend for her, even if she has nothing for SI, just because she is Azura. Same for Luke or any other character in the 5* pool.

SI is only a factor when you actively hunt for a unit. You don't pull in Fire and Ice for a Hector, you pull there for Surtr. The pitty breaker system (off focus 5*) is there to block you from getting the hunted item, not to give you great and useful SI as consolation prize. You might feel sad to see Azura or Luke show up, others will be glad; but ultimately, no one got what they wanted.

If those units are perceived as bad units, then we should ask for buffs, not to be removed from the 5* pool. Saber, Alm and Celica are great examples of less desirable units that become great with refines. Azura and Luke could experience something similar. I rather see them get excelent refines than just become someone else to send home after getting them at 3-4*.

Imagine if book 3.0 comes with a skill refinery and each month IS gives new skills to old units with missing complete kits, like they do with the refines. Azura could get some good B skill while Luke could get a useful C one. Why can't we ask IS for something like that instead of demotions?

Merging a character to +10 shouldn't be a factor in this. Any character can be +10'd except the Askr trio. You have 300+ units to choose for that, if the unit being a 5* exclusive is a detriment to you, then just choose someone else instead.

Until Skill Refinery is actually hinted at, or shown by Intelligent Systems, then that shouldn't even be a reason to keep a unit as a 5* exclusive because, for us, it's just a theoretical. None of us know if this will ever be a thing. Ever. People have been theorizing for this system probably since before Death Blow 4 became a thing, but there's no guarantee we'll get that, let alone when. People have been asking for separate 5* pools for focus units for about a year+ now...... And we still don't have one.

Even with a weapon refine, some units shouldn't be a 5* exclusive unless they got something super broken like a built in Distant Counter with a free Quick Riposte or something. Lilina got one of the most powerful refines (in terms of raw damage) and she's found as a 4* unit (and 3* if I recall).

Azura, as well as Luke, have nothing going for them that should keep them as a 5* exclusive. The skills they have aren't 5* exclusive worthy, or can be found on 4*, more easily accessible, units. If Azura actually had something, like a rare skill (like Luke had before Garon showed up) then sure, but she offers nothing to the table aside from clogging up the 5* pool.

One of the reasons to play FEH is to use the characters you like from playing the main series on teams and make them the best that you can, hence why they include characters from the main series as well as the OC's from Heroes. If someone likes Azura, but she's a 5* exclusive for absolutely no reason, then...?

And we never had a 5* exclusive demoted, nor have had a hint at it. Your point then?

Like I said before, characters don't need to have SI to be worth the 5* status. There is no such thing as 5* «worth». Many 4* are among the strongest units in their categories, you mentioned Lilina, but Reindhart, Ares or Raven are also good example of powerful low rarity units. IS decides who they want yo keep at 5* regardless of SI potential or power. You might feel Azura doesn't offer anything

And we never had a 5* exclusive demoted, nor have had a hint at it. Your point then?

Unit demotions have happened before. And what do you mean a 5* exclusive has never been demoted? What do you call the units that are released as a 5* exclusive, but is brought down to 5*/4, like Shigure?

I mentioned Lilina because we were talking about refines given to units to keep them as 5* units. Lilina, who is not a 5* by default, has one of the most powerful refines in the game, so should she be a 5* exclusive then..?

Yes, IS decides. Obviously the community isn't getting surveys on who in the game they feel should be demoted, it's why the question to this topic was asking if you think there'll be demotions.

A unit being wanted is not enough of a reason to be a 5*. In that case, every unit should be a 5*, or only the most desired units should be, like Nowi, Fae, A!Tiki, Gwendolyn, Sheena, etc.

One of the reasons they keep units as 5* units is because of their skills. Before Garon, Luke was one of the only units that had Panic Ploy. It's why the units with Valor skills are kept as 5* units. If I recall, there's not a single unit that has a Valor skill in the 4* pool, why? Because IS feels that they're 5* worthy skills.

IMO demotions are good but only to cure the problem of the bloated 5* pool. The demotions 8 months ago didn't effect the 5* exclusive pool, and although it may have temporarily reduced the size, that effect has long since warn off (the 5* pool is now much bigger than it was before the April demotions).

People, like you obviously, don't see the problem at the moment, but I'm sure you can see how it will continue to get worse over time and will eventually need a sustainable solution. My opinion is, why not demote now if they're going to have to eventually?

The massive redundancies in the 5* pool make it clear to me that demotions will come soon. The easiest example I see is original Ike when legendary Ike is a thing, or Standard Azura when there are so many better dancers.

lol

What Im asking is for a permanent solution. Demotions are not it. If they demote uni

lol

What Im asking is for a permanent solution. Demotions are not it. If they demote units now, in 6 months we'll be here having the same exact conversation, except instead of asking for Ryoma and Hinoka to be demoted, we will be asking for Surtr or Ophelia or some one else we will feel they are no longer worth the 5* status.

I don't see Hinoka, Genny, or hector being demoted because their skills are pretty exclusive. If Celica got demoted, then she'll be a better nuke than Lilina because merging celica is much more easier now.

There is no reason to keep Hone Fliers locked to 5 stars only.

Hinoka needs demotion.

Hinoka and Minerva should get demoted and give Hone/Ward Fliers at 4*. It's already weird that those skills have remained as 5* exclusive skills this long.

Well Shigure has ward fliers at 4 stars, but it was exclusive for a long time. But Hinkoa really does need to be demoted.

Oh, right. I forget he exists.

Well those units with their ‘exclusive’ skills are now more common then there was before. Almost every seasonal flier has Hone Fliers. Genny is nothing more than Wrathful Staff fodder and we literally just got Veronica with that skill and who really wants to go through colourless hell? Ideally, units with weapon refines should be demoted. (Excluding Hector)

Well here's a list I posted on a similar thread earlier.

5 star exclusive
Red: Eldigan, Gray, Karel, LUKE, Leo, Ike (og, maybe ), Katrina, Lyn, Ryoma (og, maybe), Saber (maybe), Tiki (young), Lene
Blue: Azura, Delthea (maybe), Ephraim (maybe), Hinoka, Linde, Ninian, Olwen
Green: Amelia (maybe), Deirdre (maybe), Julia, Minereva, Rhajat, Sonya
Colorless: Elise, Faye, Innes, Jaffar, Mikoto (unlikely b/c new, should have been anyways imo), MIST, Takumi (maybe)

4-5 star
Red: Morgan (male)
Blue: L'Arachel
Green: Libra
Colorless: Nanna

I agree with everything here except for Young Tiki and Ninian. They’ll just add to the already terrible dragon meta. Other than that most of these should be demoted.

My top 5 would be:
Celica
Nephenee
Deirdre
Mounted Eirika
Amelia

Mounted Eirika is an alt and probably won’t happen, but other than that these units really don’t have a reason to be 5 stars. Amelia might not because she's incredibly strong on Armor Emblem.