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Do you think it's a problem that Surtr is unbeatable...
by autobattle? A couple of times now I've looked back at what should have been an easy auto GC to find that a Surtr has appeared and Feh has parked my entire army in his weapon+c skill range for a big suicide party.
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First off, very few units can pull off a good set with their base set. No one in their right mind is going to run Hana with just her base set. And who are you to say what's optimal and what's not? DC negates one of his weakness of being taken out by ranged units. SS4 is nice, but when mages are able to take you out from afar, what's the point of boosting your defense?
I think what makes Surtr scary is that he's one of the only units that can run WF great and cannot normally be killed in one round. DC only makes him more of a threat.
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The base set is part of the point. Why would he change the surtr build and not hanas especially if surtr would be better off with the base set. I just made then both base kits to be fair. And another point is that VF DC isn't optimal because my point was to say that HE has no say in it being optimal. The S Stance 4 is a great guard skill that's great for survival, especially with wary, but I'm not saying it's the best either. I guess I have to write an essay here. Your points are exactly my points here. Ironic much? And the way he said it all was mean and not helpful at all, and I didn't appreciate it.
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I'll give you that using base kits was apart of the point. VF and DC I wouldn't consider optimal either, but saying that it's just DC is incorrect.
I'd hardly consider what you've written as an essay as well, but that's a minor detail. My points are not exactly like your points, you told him his post was stupid without going into much detail... and even then failing to communicate that it was both DC & VF together, hardly ironic or similar. I explained your error that DC can be good on him, but with WF instead of VF. DC with WF is good, SS4 with VF is good(When dealing with physical units), but as stated above I don't think having DC and VF is good.
Also it's Nilla(Allin). I realise you may not know of him, but he can be a real blunt prick when he wants to be. Either that or a smart ass or even just an ass. He can offer some very good advice when he wants to, but this was definitely a case of being an ass.
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Seeing how people are saying Surtr is op is true to a point, but he does have some weaknesses. One of his weaknesses is that if he runs WF/basic kit or runs DC/VF with basic (c) kit, you can still do damage IF you have A!M!corrins (B) skill Null follow-up. This skill prevents WF from canceling doubles while it also forces VF armors to not double, this and combine anyone with an armor killing weapon+ to negate any buffs (cough) surtr's (C) (cough) can do serious damage to him. His second weakness is going against BK/Zelgius with black luna spam, Arden (especially this guy who can tank both the axe eff and hits) and those who run bladetomes,firesweep and/or windsweep in there setups so Surtr cant counter back. Also a red bladetome, windsweep will be a thing now to fight Surtr. Hope this gives more ideas on how to take on a Surtr đź‘Ť
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