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Correction on my math of full-round-and-run

This occurred to me a few days ago but I didn't have the energy to write about it. I'm doing slightly better today and I want to set something straight.

A few weeks ago I posted explaining that finishing the round on a legendary banner is worth it if you like 8/12 focus units, by which I meant 2/3 on every colour. If you like 3/3 on a colour you should pull that colour! But if you only like 2/3 on each colour, I demonstrated that you can finish the round and you'll get a focus unit on average every third banner, with 2/3 focus units being ones you want (again, on average), so 2 wanted focus units in 9 banners, 9 x 15 orbs = 135, 63 orbs a focus unit is pretty reasonable. And I wouldn't say I missed entirely, because mathematically speaking that is indeed the expected result.
https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/q-a/just-figured-out-math-full-round-and-run-legendary-banners

However, I think it's better not to regard finishing the circle as 5 pulls for 15 orbs but 4 pulls for 15. The free summon is always free on every banner. The 15 orbs only gets you 4 extra pulls. Compared to the previous situation, one of those focus units might have been a free pull, which shouldn't count as part of the 15 orbs.

So what exactly are the probabilities on the 15-for-4? If you like 8/12 focus units, the probability that none of them is a focus unit is 94% ˆ 4 = 78.1%, which is slightly lower than 4/5. So it's a focus unit every 5th banner, which means every 75 orbs. That's still a decent price, but consider that you're not going to be interested in every third unit, and now it's 2 desired focus units for 225 orbs, which is in the neighbourhood of the price for pulling a focus unit from a 3%/3% banner with three focus units and no shared colour (except on a 3%/3% banner you might get a random off-focus to go with your target unit).

What this means is that finishing the round after a free summon isn't worth it even if you like 2/3 focus units on all colours, and if this is true for legendary banners, then it's not going to be a good idea on a 3%/3% banner either, all other things being equal.

Apologies for my inaccuracy the first time around which suggested the exact opposite course of action to what I'm now suggesting. I'm glad I was able to catch it before this legendary banner releases; there was no legendary banner between my initial post and this correction.

Asked by Seeker1 month ago
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by Dan 1 month ago

Does your corrected math go against the theory that it is likely to get a hero every third 5-for-15 pull?

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No; that's what the second paragraph is about, what still stands of my previous analysis. You can still expect a focus unit every third round, but you're not getting above-average value for orbs because it's actually focus unit every 75 orbs, not 45. Free summons should not be included in the pulls you get for 15 orbs.

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So the best orb value is still sniping a colour on a 3 hero banner (considering the 2 hero one is an exception for now) or on a Legfest where I like 3/3 heroes?

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Sniping on a 3%/3% banner with three focus units isn't best value unless you want both focus 5*s sharing a colour. However, it does give you the lowest cost for an individual unit, so if you're trying to merge some 5* exclusive to +10 that's the cheapest way to do it. (Best value that isn't something very unusual like our current two-focus banner or the last VG banner with all blues would be wait until they appear on a legendary banner with two others that you wouldn't mind getting 10-11 copies of, but when's that going to happen lol)

Best value, barring weird stuff like what I already mentioned, is 3%/3%, three focus units, colour shared, and you want at least 2 of the units sharing colour. Four focus units and you want both units sharing a colour is pretty close to 3/3 on a legendary banner, which is still very good value.

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