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Class-slaying

I faced my main problem today again: Brave Lyn and Reinhardt. I always expected me to be smart but I am still not prepared for the most common meta threat.

However, I made a plan for this long ago. Fjorm with Ridersbane and DC. After ages (ok, one age...) of waiting I finally have a DC user: LA Hector (-Atk +Res). I have no other green Armor with any investment, it has always been one of the black holes in my barracks.

Now I am a bit torn. I am so close before Tier 20 reamain, fortifying my Arena team is one of my best options. On the other hand, this LA Hector was my salvation for armor based quests and although I finished them all for now, I don't really want to go back to 4* Sheena again.

Additionally, Fjorm already has a great weapon. I don't really want to fodder Hector. Not to mention Fjorm will not get DC before she has Ridersbane, which is locked before 5*ing Mathilda (will not happen until my Liv is 5-10).

Do you think the class-slayer effects maybe come for A-slot? Or will I be forced to kill Big Daddy to survive some day?

Asked by JBRoyal9 months 1 week ago
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You realize brave Lyn's Sacae's Blessing cancels distant counter on swords, lances, and axes. Besides there are bajillion counters for them these days, especially Reinhardt. Reinhardt counters include any green mage with good magic bulk (Julia, Deirdre, Sonya, even Nino to a degree), green dragons, green armors (even low res ones can survive with high enough hp) and daddy Sigurd can't be killed by him at full health. Brave Lyn counters include dragons with Lightning Breath/DC (with the refine effect of course), raventomes, and she can be killed by any physical brave weapon due to her paper thin defense.

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If you don't care about baiting, why DC?

Ridersbane will be a overkill, but the original weapon and a offensive special like Moonbow will be enough.

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DC is for any other hero. I want to run the buff refinement, so she can also counter Blade-tomes. That's what DC is for.

The point with the special is that it is not reliable. I don't want options for my team, I want solutions.

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Fjorm with the original weapon and kit can handle Reinhardt.
You don't need to change her.

No and no.

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Reinhardt is mainly a repositioning problem, BLyn is the true threat. But I can't put any hero but Fae into a 60 Atk Reinhardt. And only two heroes into Brave Lyn.

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Lighting Breath and Green Armoreds are perfect then.

I'm on Tier 19.5 and i barely see horses, there only a few in mixed teams.
My aswer for then is Grima, but if you can't bait-kill then, you will always have trouble.

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Oh, I envy you for Grima ^^'

Yeah, they are not that common up here but when they are in, they are always +7 or higher (Reinhardt always +10).

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Getting a lower score seems like a better trade off than not being able to finish 7 Duels deathless.
What set are you running on your Fae? I ran Fae for a long time as a anti-reinlyn unit and it worked well for me (though I did have Ninian to buff fortify Dragon but maybe we can think of something to work around that? )

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It's possible to run it deathless, I just got aware again of the fact that my team is not as reliable as I'd like it to be.

I do run the classic -HP +Def Lightning Breath-DD-QR build (with Spd refinement). I did not give her SB yet, so she has CC in the A slot. I actually want to give her Darting Breath when it is released (39 natural Spd, 42 in Water season). But I guess it is best to change her Spd refinement for Def for now? (I have both available anyway.)

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by TG15 9 months 1 week ago

If you’re really considering giving Fjorm a ridersbane with DC, I’d say reconsider your team. You should have a unit that can handle Brave Lyn, and another capable of taking down Reinhardt. Fjorm with the right build kills Reinhardt (unless he runs lancebreaker, which makes it impossible to kill him on enemy phase and makes it likely for Fjorm to die), but you should be running a green unit that can kill Reinhardt (usually in one hit) and a unit strong enough to oneshot Brave Lyn or capable of doubling her.

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If your goal is to stay in tier 20 arena, start investing in armoured units. You'll eventually stop facing horse emblem teams once your team score gets high enough. Since I'm assuming you're F2P, units like Draug, Sheena, Gwendolyn, and Effie are pretty darn good units. Running DC and wary fighter with horse slaying weapons should allow you to tank and then one shot them. Fjorm with DC and ridersbane won't have much use once your arena scores get higher, but a well built armoured unit will still be very viable.

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I somewhat agree and disagree with this statement.

Unless you whale yourself into oblivion, higher up the ranks just means you face high to max merged horse emblem. I’ve had matchups before that featured a max merged group of Reinhardt, Brave Lyn, Nowi, and PA Azura. Talk about cancerous...

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When I was getting arena scores around 700-710, I would get matched up against teams with BLyns almost every matchup in arena. but once you start getting into the 720s you will very rarely ever see any BLyn, reinhardt, dancer teams. I've still seen them individually from time to time, but not as a group. My biggest problem now is dealing with the onslaught of dragons I face in AA.

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Yeah, my score is 712-722 currently so I know what you mean. But I have problems with the remaining cavarly teams. My team is capable of killing all build of all dragons without taking considerable damage. Not to mention armors. Only Brave Lyn is a serious threat.

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I just use Micaiah with deathblow, I can't bait them but she one shots them, but I'll assume you don't have Micaiah, a good option is a green gronraven+/triangle adept3/bow breaker user, I have a 5* +4 Cecilia and Inigo +2, Boey works too.

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by Drizzy 9 months 1 week ago

My solution against b.Lyn and reintardt. Yes I know b.Lyn special blessing prevents counter, but unless she gets repo away, I kill her on my turn.

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Solution for now: Adjusting my Fae.

Solution for next season: Sophia comes back.

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I haven’t seen anyone else mention this (apologies if anyone did) but why not give zanbato to Olivia and refine it for whatever it is you need? I know you need Gray for this so if you don’t have him I understand, but I don’t see the need to take a DC weapon off a unit just to give them DC as a skill. Alternatively, give Fae bowbreaker 3 for a 4* Setsuna?

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I use a DD3, Bowbreaker3, Gronnraven+ (or Keen Gronnwolf) (F)Robin for those two. She does a damn good job keeping them in check. I struggle a lot more with the Swift Sparrow B!Lyn than I do with Rein, so that’s why BBreaker.

With Sacae’s Blessing, B!Lyn will still wipe the floor with Fjorm, don’t bother foddering the best unit in the game to give her DC. :)

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If you're not up for a gronnraven tome user, a fast green tome with a defense of about 20 or higher will work. He wasn't built out for this, but I bait out most B!Lyn's with Soren (19def + 6hone +3spur + 4 for adjacent support unit w/refinement = 32def; if not running a tactic team, I give him DD3). 41spd (without buffs) means he won't be doubled even with swift sparrow, and he can easily take a single hit from her and OHKO her (especially if she got chilled). (Reinhardt is no threat. I haven't found a single Rein who can take out Soren) No raven tome required!

If it's a brave bow Lyn, VL!Ike baits her out instead; Firesweep is the only really tricky one (but it's rare); Most of the time I can still bait her with VL!Ike and charge aether to kill her next round.

Instead of looking for one unit who can counter both all the time, why not try to think of ways each of your units can counter the common builds?

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