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B!Sanaki Tier 4, A!Camilla Tier 3? (Opinions on newly added)

What? They have the same stat spread. The only difference is Tharja has one more attack and Sanaki has 3 more Res. They both have the same superboons/banes. They both are recommended the exact same build on the website. Why are they not in the same tier?

Also congrats to Saber Tier 3, Shanna Tier 4. I'm not sure how I feel about Florina being in Tier 6. I can see why Bartre would be in Tier 5.

I think they undersold Florina by a long shot. With a Def/Atk superboon and her new refine, her defenses get insane to have as a unit on your team, even more crazy on your flier team. She has a lot of versatility now that many units don't come close to. Even with a budget build her winloss is similar to Shanna. Kind of makes me want to use my dew on her but I'll have to wait on that because I only have enough for 2 refinements left >.<

Asked by RoyAhoy1 month 2 weeks ago

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Well, the same could also be asked about A! female Corrin and OG hector.

Stat spread isn't even close to the same though

I just had to look at the tiers again and I'm just sad that Micaiah is in the same tier as Summer Camilla... Also Mia's fallen all the way down to tier 3 :( At least Festival Micaiah and Halloween Mia are higher tier than every Camilla variant, because I just really don't like Camilla. She creeps me out.

And at least you have enough dew for 2 refinements, I'm down to just 10 dew after getting this +atk/-res Shanna off free summon. To be fair she was always I character I thought about building but sadly kept foddering off for Desperation, but maybe it's just cause I found it funny that in my Binding Blade playthrough she had to "babysit" Roy so that they could gain support. And I use babysit cause Shanna was getting blessed with level up luck meanwhile Roy kept getting atk and spd screwed sadly, but not as badly as Eliwood did when I replayed Blazing Blade afterwards.

I've always wanted to build her to and for the same reason never got around to it. I wish I could get them faster but I have to save the dew for Innes and someone else in the future. Shanna was good tho.

Also I feel the same for Kliff. I think he's Tier 4 because they built him wrong. IMO he's Tier 3 or Tier 2. And i've used most of the top tier units built so I know by comparison that Kliff is as good as them. Micaiah might be lower because of Null Followup but I kind of doubt it.

In my opinions A!Camilla's prf suits better the current meta compared to Sanaki's, res tanks are far less usefull now and having a -4 on all stats during combat is much better than +5atk/res

But when you place someone in a tier they use their "optimal" builds. In this case the optimal build they used is the exact same build so there should be no difference in tiers unless their stats are different. Which they aren't. And the Prfs that each other have aren't really better or worse than each other. If anything Sanaki gets more stats total offensively.

Ye i wasnt too sure about it either but remember that color plays a role and u shouldnt be comparing units across colors too much

There are a lot more viable dc red units than blue. And more green mage checks than red.

If color plays any role green is always considered by them to be the best color for a mage so that doesn't work either. And all of those reds have Res low enough to the point where they still can oneshot them with the build they recommend. And with armors running the meta, the most common colors for them are Blue and then Green. Same thing for dragons. Blue, and then green. I wish they'd merge all of the colors at this point because it just shows how inaccurate it is on a basic level.

"considered by them to be the best color" ie. Sanaki has a lot of competition from fellow green mages. Julia, deidre shut blade tomes. Amd gunthras debuff really hurts her.

But these people are never run in arena. And while Sanaki beats every armored unit. Camilla loses to Berkuts Lance Effie who is common. it feels like scrapping from the bottom of the barrel to find some justification. I just ran the calcs and Deirdre still has an uphill battle against her.

i know it doesn't matter to much but the inconsistency bothers me. With the whole cheerleader meta none of the top tiers are even good in arena anymore. People like Klein, Jaffar, Micaiah, Priscilla outclass most of the top tiers now in that mode because they won't kill the enemies if you don't want them to.

Dude Im not the one whos butthurt for god knows what. just look at their page and try to see why they are ranked the way they are, esp their counters. Thats what i did.....

And its not like tier 3-4 is that big of a difference maybe one JUST made it to tier 3 and the other one JUST missed tier 3. Theres no conspiracy here. Ur the one trying to make something out of nothing

I think you went overboard on my reaction Im just saying theres no reason they should be ranked different

Well i already said that the reason was obviously their color AND the tier list specifically specifies to not look across tier colors.

If you dont agree then thats fair.... Just make ur own tier list

If anything I think they got it backwards. B.Sanaki doesn't need to be glued to an ally, and Nifl frostflowers has a slightly higher damage potential than the res-4 that Book of dreams inflicts. Maybe they think that Camilla tanks better on her res because Book of dreams can inflict atk-4 on the opponent during combat?

The other thing I can think of is that she's a red mage and people tend not to expect red mages. I mean, it's Lilina, Tharja, and the rest are either tanks like Henry/Sophia or 5* exclusives like Katarina/Sanaki/B.Tharja.

Ty for the first part. For the second I think it's not entirely true. The Summer Tana and Aversa (who is free) are 2 people who can also run the exact same build better than her. Because Aversa is faster and so is Tana. x2 with a bladetome and desp is much more effective than what they are trying to do with her. And even still with just the prfs Aversa wins on that too. Sanaki is under the same situation when compared against Flying Nino. They even have the same comparison issues across colors. It just seems lazy to me like they don't think out their placements all that well.

Don't really know what to tell you aside from contacting the people that made the tier lists and ask them, since it seems like every reason given for the possibility has been shot down.

You know what I'm actually gonna send it hol up

I would personally rate Florina and Bartre tier 4. They are not to be underestimated.
Saber tier 3 is about right. I've been hyping him up a lot, but I think it fits. He's quite restricted in builds.
(Still no GP analysis of Saber and Florina)

Not much to say about the adrift banner.
As for the fact that GHB and TT remain unchanged; Either they want to wait or don't factor in merges that much. (Walhart tier 6 is still totally stupid)

I'm starting to think they just don't value tanks. It's like if you aren't one and done you automatically take a hit on the tier list. It kind of makes sense when you notice that all the characters you thought were better than they are listed tend to be tank characters. So maybe that's why Florina and Bartre are lower? Florina at the very least is Tier 5. Tier 4 seems accurate to me though.