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Brazen Skills...

So the crazy Bold Fighter and Vengeful Fighter skills are most likely limited to armor units just like Wary Fighter, I mean it has to or else the game would just be even more broken. The skills are getting insane, but what I'm worried about is the Brazen skills. If those aren't limited to armor units, then A skills like Swift Sparrow may not be as valuable anymore since of the crazy boost the Brazen skills give. +7?? like wtf IS.
My biggest fear is them releasing something that will ruin the fun and variety... and I hope these Brazen skills aren't too broken. Or maybe I'm just overreacting. What do you guys think?? Am I the only one who hopes its limited to armor units?

Asked by JayE1 year ago

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even if not limited to armored Units might take a while for non-whales to come by on those skills as they get released on limited heroes

To be honest, you definitely make a case for "Fighter" skills. That makes them much more reasonable.

On the other hand, I thought as much about "Brazen" skills. They outclass Defiant-like skills. HARD. I always find them to have their place with certain setups (namely Atk and most definitely Spd), but this basically gives you no reason to use them and pretty much warrants you have to get these characters for them.

Yeah I came that logical conclusion seeing that all the units are armored units and the word "Fighter"
And yeah Defiant Skills are rarely ever used. I just think the Brazen skill is a bit too much, especially if its not limited to armor units...

Wouldn't surprise me if it's limited to melee armor units. If the HP condition was supposed to be situational to merit it's use over blow or stance skills, then lol

80% of a threashhold isn't even bad, let alone to traditional armoured units. +7 Atk/Spd heavily outclasses anything, and especially with that kind of activation.

Exactly why I wouldn't be surprised if it's locked to melee armor. The effects are too good if there aren't any restrictions. If there isn't any, that's more of a reason for people to cry "power creep."

I want to be that guy

I hope it is. Its clear they're making a push to make armor emblem better. PLEASE be restricted to only armor units. Its getting ridiculous

Little do they seem to know, a legit Armour team is no push over. Take a look at that last developer challenge with the armour team. All of them but Effie have Spd under 40, let alone their Def/Res. I even struggled to do double digits on Doga *with* Red magic.

Only whale will have acces to these skills,us,little f2p should be happy if we happens to even get one seasonal units i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I was happy with "just" getting Henry last banner
Still wanted Jakob at a 4.5%

I don't see the issue with the fighter skills. Tharjas is a 20% increase in the hp threshold from qr3 with the tradeoff of a slower special. Lissa's is like a worse version of ardens ring.

The brazen skills are a bit more annoying as they are a direct upgrade on the defiant skills.

You mean a better version of Arden's ring no?

Not really

Sure lissa doesn't have the hp threshold issue but it only activate when she initiates. Arden's is always active whether attacking or defending above 50%. Plus she has the extra cooldown tacked on.

I feel arden's is still better. Both are great skills though.

It’s the opposite. It accelerated the cool down like Heavy Blade.

Cooldown +1. That's what blade tomes/ lightning breath is. Adds 1 to your special.

Slaying weapons are cooldown -1

Oops nevermind I've just looked at the images. I swear I read differently watching the actual videos

I hope so too. In addition to being DEFIAnt skills on steroids that activate too easily, from they’re description, they are Spurs, not Hones. God help us all of one of those Brazen Skills shows up on Horse Emblem

Yeah, I was thinking Panic status would be a great counter for them until I read the "during combat" part. They're crazy.

hey meny look at my new Charlotte (Ultra Instinct Atk Ver.)

That's impressive! Specially considering she's -Atk, now imagine if she had neutral Atk.

Add Ally Support and Drive skills and now she will be destroying everything even with an Atk bane.

She destroys
This was before the S-support and buffs

You were using Vengeance, right? To destroy Hector, now I want to give my Charlotte a lot of skills, lol. Too much power.

Yeah. I actually started looking it as a great skill when I realised how to get around it's weakness (super low HP/high HP max). Braves, Firesweeps & Desperation (maybe even Windsweep?) are your go-to. Then you mix Wrath. She even did 35 on a Hector with only Reprisal, which is silly.

Never used Vengeance but I guess it's very useful then. I have fodder for these skills except Wrath, so I will be grinding SP (already at 2,000) for everything else.

Even characters on the lower end of HP still get at least 15 damage out of it. That's your standard character with solid Def/Res or someone with 50 Atk with Dragonic Aura. It's really good for Quad > Desperation users because it's a garanteed activation.

Someone like Fir who has about 40 HP could use that and still pack L&D to make the best her burst damage of 20 which is better if she used Fury > Iceberg.

It's fine to powercreep skills that see zero use. It's not like anyone is going to feel bad about inheriting Defiant Atk because no one did that in the first place.

At the very least, Brazen Atk/Spd isn't strictly better than Swift Sparrow and Life and Death. Firesweep users, for example, never take damage in the first place. There also just aren't enough reliable ways to get into Brazen/Desperation range. Ardent Sacrifice requires a damaged target which you won't always have, especially on a player phase oriented team. Many units won't even be able to use this combination because units at 45+ HP will not be in Brazen range after Ardent Sacrifice, which many units reach with a forged weapon. Not to mention, Ardent Sacrifice requires you to use up one turn of setup after your other units have already started fighting, which you don't want to do as an offensive unit. Plus, there are a good number of units who use Fury to get into Desperation range, which of course, occupies the A skill slot.

You never heard of reciprocal aid? Is easy, you put a bait range unit. Takes damage kill the guy and swap HP and eeeeaaaasy. That is what this guy does. https://youtu.be/XgjWPoWBMbg

You still need to spend someone's turn to do that. If you're going to use a unit as support, there are better things you could be doing than putting them in Brazen range. An offensive unit with a more self sufficient A skill could easily turn that team slot into an additional dancer or attacker.

So place Reciprocal Aid on the bait unit. If you're going to try and bait a unit anyways, why not also make it so your nuke gets up and running?

Yeah but the only reason I could see to use LnD over brazen atk/spd is to abuse Celica's Ragnarok at 100% hp. Otherwise, I can't think of a single hero who could justifiably use LnD over Brazen atk/spd. I'd also say Swift Sparrow is only better on low HP, glass cannon like units, while higher HP units should, without a doubt, run a Brazen skill over whatever blow or stance skill they are currently using. Almost every unit can drop below 80% hp with a single Ardent Sacrifice, so it isn't even that hard to trigger.
I do, however, agree that the set-up necessary may not be worth it, because unless you have a dancer, you're looking at 2 turns without your unit up and running at full capacity.

Brazen is very good on Eldigan. He can safely go into below 80% HP after initiating a few attacks and then you can sit watching him Solo

Only takes one attack no? Eldigan is not a 60+ Hp unit.

If I get a Chrom, he's so dead to my Nephenee. Wrathful Moonbows with an additional +7 in Atk/Def and +Spd on her Slaying Lance gets my +Spd -Def Neph up to: 42/52/41/38/20

Holy cow!

that is if Nephenee can inherit it... which I really hope its limited to armor units