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The Brave heroes problem

Ok, so I guess that enough time has passed for everyone to enjoy the new heroes and see their power level. I was lucky enough to get all of them and put them on a team together and I have to say that their power level has sort of confirmed my fears that they totally outshine most of the previous units (unless they have heavy inheritance, support boosts and merges).

I mean, the fact that Bike can kill some red units when his special is charged (which is always) is pretty scary. Broy, killing two units in a single turn requiring just a hone cavalry happens much more often than I would have thought. Lucina who can kill just as well as buff the whole team, unlike Sharena who was the previous buff lance (or even Ephraim can't compare at all). And then you have Lyn who is just a jack of all trades and I suppose that everyone had the chance to see how stupidly powerful she is.

I play on tier 20 and even there, I have yet to lose a game, which never happened before.

How do you feel about this hero set? Do you think that IS will pump out heroes of similar power level or are the new heroes going to be brought to a normal power level? Also who is your favorite after testing them?

Asked by Guts1 year 3 months ago
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Anticipating some meta shifts to deal with Brave Lyn (and Reinhardt). I'm looking into getting a good Raven tome user set up myself (thinking Sophia for now). Wonder if CA will gain momentum, that'd be scary.

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I mean as long as you're running a balanced team for arena, brave heroes aren't too hard to take down. Yes, brave heroes are high tier, but not broken.

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I think that we'll see more units on the same power level as B!Roy and B!Lucina soon. I think it will be awhile before we see more on par with the other two - they really put that trainee BST bonus to good use.

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I think this is more of a problem for paying players than for free players.

Free players generally only have 1 or 2 units, so even though they will be ever present, they will still need other supporting units.

For paid users however, it's much more likely that they have acces to all 4 heroes with perfect IVs and even merged stats.

Japanese law makes it illegal to lower the value of bought digital items, which was the reason Takumi and Hector weren't nerfed even though they were OP on release. Just like with them, eventually other units will come up that are very good against them with skills that can be inherited to different characters. They will remain good, but as the meta stabilizes they won't be guaranteed win units anymore.

Also Ike, not because of how good he is, just because of nostalgia.

tl;dr Right now they are OP, meta will change and characters will remain good but not OP (think Hector/Takumi)

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by Cav829 1 year 3 months ago

I don't know. So far Brave Lyn has been easier for me to deal with than Reinhardt was. I haven't even had to carry a special Brave Lyn counter because if a Lyn attacks a Lyn, the attacker ends up losing as she can't kill her in one hit. It has forced me to stop running Fae though in favor of other bait units. Ike gets crushed by my Triangle Adept Xander, though he might be in the best meta situation of any unit from the Brave set due to the lack of good red mages.

If anything, I think it further encourages players to specialize their units as opposed to just trying to create units that can handle every situation. I do worry about the power creep though, yes. These units are certainly straddling the line atm of being too powerful. Lyn in particular with the new support system can be pretty hilarious.

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I am really happy with the Brave Heroes so far. My specific thoughts are as follows:

B!Lucina - Very cool buffer who is clearly S-tier; but competes with a lot of other units for a spot and is not limiting meta diversity.

B!Roy - Very fun for PvE but is very fragile and requires babysitting. Maybe with heavy merges and perfect IVs he would have scary sweeping potential; but playing a regular one with average IVs has been fun without feeling anywhere near like he is overpowered.

B!Ike - I haven't pulled one yet but I certainly see a lot of them in arena. I really, really appreciate that we finally have a unit who can make attrition a viable strategy as opposed to everything being ORKO or GTFO. I have found him fairly easy to beat in arena after getting surprised by his resilience once or twice early.

B!Lyn - she is monstrously powerful. However, I appreciate that her legendary bow means she's not pigeonholed into BB+ as an optimal build. I also like that she is single-handedly tamping down Cav/Flyer Emblem blade strategies. It has been fun to run a raven tome comp and see just how much potential that set has.

I think a lot of people are feeling miffed because these heroes have given us a meta shift away from tried and true units (physical DC bait for archers, blade tomes, etc.) and are mistaking that for the characters being overpowered. I think, particularly once B!Lyn isn't an arena bonus unit anymore, that we'll actually see a more diverse overall meta as a result.

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