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Average speed of a Dragon to watch out for

I wanna build Deirdre into a Watersweep Dragon killer (with the use of Phantom Speed) and I'd like to know what's the average speed I should be watching out for (barring Young Summer Tiki, who I'm not allowing to get anywhere near Deirdre).
My Deirdre has 28 speed and would probably not double much anyway, but what I'm doing this for, mostly, is to protect her from refined breaths tearing through her measly defense.
The fully upgraded Phantom Speed seal would treat her speed as if it was 38, and I'm wondering if I should invest her A slot into something that gives her Speed and attack (ie. Swift Sparrow or LnD) or if I can just give her DB3 and she'd be fine taking care of green/blue dragons.

Edit: She's +Atk/-Res, which is why I'm considering turning her more offensive.

Asked by AnonymousAxolotl4 months 3 weeks ago
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by Seeker 4 months 3 weeks ago

You might be able to take out flying Tiki in one hit, actually. Her res and HP aren't that good, and you can ploy her to reduce her res even more.

Most dragons beside flying Tiki and F.Grima I find have speed in the 25-30 range, some up to maybe 33-34. What I do with Nowi (buff her up to upper 40s) is quite rare; I've never seen it in arena up to the 718 range. The most I saw was a Nowi with maybe 35-36 spd?

Deirdre comes with spd ploy, so you can pretend she has 33 spd unless you need her C-slot to buff the team. If you use swift sparrow I would say you're right on the edge of being able to sweep any dragon you need to, and if she's in a bind then ally support or at most a dual rally (both rally spd/res and spd/def are available in the 4* pool, or 3* pool if you're willing to spend 2k feathers) should get her above the threshold so that you can save yourself the sacred coins and use your seal for more ploying (res ploy, for instance, to increase her chance of OHKO).

I did some more calculating in my head. I think it's not too much to look for OHKO against green dragons. Fae probably has 48-53HP and at least 30 res. M.Grima has 48HP at neutral and 27 res, which is even lower magical bulk. F.Kana does not have impressive res or HP. With death blow you have 53 atk, yes? (Or you have a boon/bane?) That's good up to 79 magical bulk, and if you use res ploy you can gain another 4-5 points. You're right on the edge. Some hone atk, some ally support, green dragon go bye-bye if she's not using warding breath or distant def.

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I forgot to post her IVs, but she's +Atk. Sadly, her bane is Res, so I'm not 100% sure about keeping her ploy. It depends heavily on what I put in her A slot. She's usually running alongside Fjorm, so she gets the Speed boost and a nice Drive Attack boost.

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Ok, with the res bane I wouldn't expect to ploy dragons reliably, not without fury, and even then maybe not. Melee units, 32 res will usually do it, but against manaketes it's not reliable enough for me.

If Fjorm is offering drive atk I think you are best just to take an atk seal and try to OHKO. Depending on how upgraded your seal, 57-59 atk unbuffed, +3 from Fjorm, +1 or +2 for some ally support, even a green dragon needs 90-96 magical bulk to survive one hit. It's brutal. A.Tiki might lose if she doesn't invest in res; Y.Tiki might or might not lose. Flying Tiki is definitely lost; if Deirdre was red you almost had her even without effective damage. My Nowi is summoner supported with distant def seal. If I had the IVs I wanted (no res bane) she would still be crushed, and I've tanked a Julia before on a defense tile.

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by Tandor 4 months 3 weeks ago

At 5* Lv 40 there are 5 dragons in the 30-34 range (1 Red, 1 Green, 3 Blues) with 5 under that and 2 over that (L!Robin at 35 and 37 being the high on SY!Tiki). Obviously Boons refines and other skills will play a role, but OG Y!Tiki only has 30 base speed at neutral. So 38 Spd will likely handle a majority of them (especially considering most of the speedy ones are Blue).

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Honestly, most dragons have their Speed stat below the 38 line, and to be honest, dragons with higher speed potential or base are either Seasonal/Rare, never used, or Blue. So I'd say you're good with just Phantom Speed 3, but I would suggest rethinking her A - Fury would be a good sub, adding a small boost to offense as well as her already massive resistance, along that small speed buff to allow her to block doubles from even Speed focus Nowis if needed.

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Up to now, she had been running a Fury/Renewal build to help her both offensively and defensively, so it's not completely out of the question. It'd help with skill investment, but her bane is in Res.
She was my previous Summoner support, but after shifting that away from her, she isn't exactly in the same tanking range she was before, which was somewhat patched up.

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At the 700-710 score ranges of my experience at the top of my head:

Nowi - 30-35
Fá - Same, I think?
Little Tiki (Summerine) - 35-40 (a lot more if she's +Spd and Spd dumped)
Tiki Grande - Spd is that something you eat
Corrin - Anywhere from 40-45, depending on how heavily merged she is and if she prioritizes Def+Res
Guy Grima - See Tiki Grande
Girl Grima - Usually mid 30s and above, rarely actually 40 (people don't work on her as much)

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My experience in this score range is similar.

Corrin has poor res and she's blue so Deirdre will have fun :)
Girl Grima I think Deirdre will also get through in one hit. Even with res superboon, dragonskin, and distant def you're looking at 79 magical bulk, which isn't out of range.

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Most dragons have speed in the 28-35 range, so unless their builds try to focus on spd, you’ll probs be able to cancel their counterattack

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by Deef 4 months 3 weeks ago

My Kana has 42 with summoner support and speed boon, if its important

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F!Grima with a speed boon and a base kit will get to 38 speed. She's the fastest Dragon I think.

But a +atk Dierdre with a base kit will kill her in one hit unless she's got resistance boosts coming from somewhere. In 95% of cases you should be good. Adding L&D3 to your A slot might be pretty effective, just to cover the occasional Rally speed or Rally resistance.

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PS I just went to a damage calculator and if you assume neutral IVs and a base skill set, there's only one Dragon that will survive getting hit by a L&D3 watersweep +atk Deirdre with phantom speed, that's young tiki. She just needs 3 points of attack to clinch the KO.

YMMV with refines.

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