GamePress

Any unit’s hype that you just don’t get?

Question is a bit confusing. So it’s like this: A really high tier unit that the whole community went crazy (in a good way) over, and you just don’t understand them.

Aka: Units the community think are godlike and you don’t think so.

Also: Units the community worship but you just can’t seem to care about

Mine are:
Ayra, Zelgius, H!Jakob, Ishtar, and W!Tharja.

Asked by justanotherandom5 months ago

Report

Answers

Mmm...

I can get why people are crazy for them, but I myself don't really care about them.

Ayra's main selling point is Regnal Astra.
Zelgius is just.. a good unit.
H!Jakob is a tanky armored bow.
Ishtar is extremely fast.
W!Tharja can tank a LOT and deal some damage. And she comes with Close Counter and Vengeful Fighter.

Closest thing I can think of is Nino.

Nino is amazing, I understand that, but the amount of praise she gets is, honestly, beyond me.

Oh yeah I never understood Nino either. Eh.

No idea. I would have to check the tier list which I don't even agree with.
The only one I never understood of the top of my head was Brave Lyn.

Everybody that whored themselves out for L!Ike. He isn't high tier, but he was overhyped AF.

Fir. Her atk is literal garbage and her spd isn’t anything special yet everyone gases her up all the time

When did this happen? Best I've seen is someone saying she's a good runner for DC, and that's about it.

Around when Nameless Blade dropped, lots of ppl said how they were gonna start a 5*+10 of fir, like y tho,,

Well, it would at least give them a reason to use her and not be so slept on. A Killer Wo Dao is pretty lit, and she can at least fire hot Iceberg shots with it in one round with things like Flashing Blade and synergise Ploys with decent Res.

She has the highest resistance of all infantry swordsmen... Not really hard to see why people would start a merge project of her.

Then again, you think anything that's not Effie, Ayra, or any other top-tier unit is trash, so it's easy to see how you wouldn't think of her as anything but "trash".

Thing is, 31 Res isn't all that high if she's either sacrificing an A-slot and then having to choose between Guard+QR or QR+Distant Def...it can definitely work, but I don't see it as having some sort of unique value just because she has above-average Res for a class that doesn't really care much about that role in the first place.

Kind of like +Res Libra (the one I have). Specific DC investment doesn't seem to do much. You're free to talk me out of it.

Well, if that's your belief, then that's your belief. I believe that Fir can greatly benefit from Distant Counter, but others don't (and others think she's trash).

It's just how the world works. Everyone can't agree with everything. :P

With Fir her Res is good but it's also backed by solid HP which I think helps. My +10 summoner supported Fir has 53 hp and 34 res (cause unfortunately she's -res but +atk is just way too helpful with her low base atk). Now 34 res isn't that impressive on its own but with her hp it equates to 87 magical bulk. And that I think is a very solid amount of magical bulk for being a very good dc infantry sword mage check.

I believe Fir to be pretty good.
She has pretty good speed, and her res is sitting nicely at a point where she can effectively ploy most enemies.
Like a DC/Wrath Fir would have 30(? I think) def and 35 res at +10, not to mention 40 speed. I know that she can’t double that well and her attack is garbage, but in my experience in using Lyn, who has a similar statline, as long as her atk isn’t that low, she can still nuke with special procs.

A +10, Wrath Fir in wrath range will deal 48 extra points of damage with a glacies proc, which can OHKO a lot of arena threats.

CYL. Not even kidding.

Karla, in my opinion. She has good attack for a speed demon but she's way too squishy from my experience. Any blue unit with atleast decent attack can handle her pretty easily.
With Def and Res like hers, she's barely gonna survive many rounds of combat anyway.

I think my number one spot right now would be Noire with her infantry rush. Never really saw the usefullness of the skill. ^^;
The second one probably would be Brave Lyn (old number one)

Infantry Rush is great imo because extra special charges is never a bad thing in most cases, and it frees up a Seal slot that would've been taken up by Heavy Blade.

Yeah I get that, but on a team building standing point it doesn't really seem that useful: infantry teams don't really have accsess to good support skills, and on a tactic skill team there could be only max. 2 infantry units. Might as well just give one of them heavy blade and let the other unit use a better fitting skill.
I just think that most infantry units can benefit better from other C slot skills, and at the time of her release thought that people were a little too over hyped for her skill.

Absolutely. I really don't understand why people think Karla is "broken tier." She's good for one round of combat, that's it. Without healer support, she's no better than Hector, Hardin, Grima, and so forth.

I will fight you on Ishtar. I will meet you in person and fight you.

I actually asked that question regarding Karla and how she may not synergise with Wrath, but apparently a dude stated she'd be using Aether by her next turn to pop herself up...not that an extra 20 HP does much for her in terms of survibility, but I just went with it.

She's still insanely good considering she's a powercrept Mia + Soleil a Killer + Death Blow-like effect.

That’s just because I’ve never really “feared” Ishtar in arena. Since she was released, I had already started working on Camilla, and she basically deals 0x2 to her.

Also, if you iniate on Ishtar, she’s basically just sitting at 36 Spd, since the ones I fight usually use Swift Sparrow. 39, 42, sometimes, depending on seal/ivs, but mostly around high 30s. I’ve had Caeda kill Ishtar with no team support (and without a special proc) and of Caeda gets her def and Spd ploy on Ishtar, she is 110% dead.

That being said, Ishtar is pretty fun to play with, but I like using Lyn more, who is also reliant on special-laced, desperation follow up attacks

I agree with you. Ishtar is broken as hell because once she doubles and activates Moonbow, most units will probably get shredded.

Multiple people have expressed problems with Karla's squishiness. I wasn't convinced she was much better off than Ayra after taking a hot from a non-green, but I definitely think she probably needs desperation, so it's between flashing blade galeforce and moonbow. (Also possible to play for OHKO with +17 moonbow/glimmer, but I'm not convinced that's the way to play a 40-55spd unit)

Reinhardt/Ishtar- Only known for their BS offense, and nothing else.

Myrrh- Extremely easy to kill with a Falchion user, yet people insist on how powerful she is. Fallen Robin can also be put here, but his hype is somewhat understandable.

Zephiel- In the increasing meta of SPD over all else, he's pretty much useless in most combat situations.

Characters aren't bad just because they have an easy counter. Basically every character has at least one easy counter, and not exactly every character is able to run Falchion. It's at the hands of the player where they make massive difference, not at the ease of countering them.

Fighter Skills on Zephiel, tho. I personally don't use him, but that's a factor.

Yeah.
Most units should shred them to pieces upon initiating on them, since Rein is so slow and Ishtar usually doesn’t have a straight stat boost a-slot skill or enemy phase a skill.

I used a another social media where literally one person wanted Female Morgan in Heroes and once she got added, almost everyone on the site went nuts.

Most Lance Fliers. I mean they aren't as coveted as other units, but still...

I myself am a Catria fan, and find it hilarious that this site puts her at tier 5. Especially when Sumia is tier 3. So basically a difference of 2 attack and 2 speed (+Atk Sumia vs +Spd Catria) is the equivalent of 2 tiers.

And that is why I put 0 faith in the tier list for anything beyond "Hey, here's a nice started guide if you don't really know what you're doing."

If this tier list was actually accurate and not all “hey let’s pretend we have unlimited orbs, fodder, and feathers to +10 this Ayra!” I’m sure that every “tier 1” unit wouldn’t be near tier 1 (except for probably nowi or something)

If Sumia was ONE tier above I wouldn’t be too surprised, since she basically has a bit better stats. But I never realized that she was two above. That is pretty dumb.

Fallen Celica. I get it, she has some decent stats on her, but even my own Fallen Celica felt mediocre to me. If anything I would say that the Beloved Zofia was like a prf Ylissean Summer weapon and the Chill skill was practically her saving grace. Maybe she ran a particular build well and I just didn't see it?

imo, Fallen Celica is a slightly-better-than-normal jack of all trades, since she has the offensive stats to be a player phaser, and pretty good defensive stats for someone with such high spd and atk (at least compared to other mixed tanks.)