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2.12 Weapon Refines

Because of Saber’s Golden Dagger and it’s refine, I feel we can get pretty creative for next months update. And I think that this time we could get a theme: Shadow Dragon units.

Cain, Abel, Jagen, and Gordin all get new weapons, and they can be refined. But what would their weapons be? And the refines?

Asked by Deirdre’s Man1 month 2 weeks ago

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The only one who I can see getting a refine is Gordin. The rest are useless, outdated and terrible units.

Florina was a useless, outdated and terrible unit.
It's kinda the point of refines, effects often beat stats.

Meh, some things can happen from out of the blue. Probably Jagen can get a 16 Mt Berkuts Lance. Just hope that these next refines aren’t useless or random.

Given that the next update is 3.0, we might get more refines that usual.

I would love for Jagen to be a support unit.
A tactic refine would be fine. But with a base effect that isn't a gem weapon.
Maybe +4 def/res in enemy phase?

For Gordin an enemy phase brave bow with close counter as refine. That'd be dope and work well with vantage.

I'd prefer to see the Whitewings get a refine, especially Catria since I've heavily invested in her, and she's has the worst powercreep in the form of Sumia (-1Atk +5 Speed same Boons/Banes).

Jagen’s Lance- 16 mt. Drive Def/Res. Refine- Warding Stance or Warding Breath.

Cain’s Blade- 14 mt. Spd-2, Brave effect. Refine- Swift Sparrow.

Abel’s Spear- 14 mt. Spd -2, Brave Effect. Refine- Bracing Stance.

Gordin’s Bow- 11 mt. Spd -5, Swordhardt effect. Refine- Close Counter.

For Abel’s Brave effect it’d only be enemy phase.

I had a list of possibilites in another thread, I'll just recomment it here. Since we have the Grail system now, I really hope that we'll see more GHB unit refines and some Tempest unit refines.

Berkut
Kremhild - 16 Mt
Base: Distant Counter
Refine: Warding Stance 3 [OR] Bracing Stance 2/3

Narcian
Runeaxe - 16 Mt
Base: Solar Brace at 40-50%
Refine: +10 Special Damage [OR] Close Def 3

Azura
Blessed Lance - 16 Mt
Base: Wings Of Mercy 3
Refine: {New} Pulse Dance (When skill like Sing or Dance is used, grants an additional cooldown charge on target ally.)

Robin [Both]
Divine Thoron/Robin's Primer [M/F] - 14 Mt
Base: Owltome
Refine: Omnibond 2

Henry
Goetia - 14 Mt
Base: Close Counter
Refine: Fierce Stance 3

Arvis
Valflame Base upgrades to Atk/Res Ploy 3 (-5 each)
Refine: Fury 3 [OR] R Duel Infantry 3 [OR] {New} Harsh Sacrifice (If assist skill like Ardent Sacrifce or Reciprocal Aid is used, converts penalties into bonuses on target ally. Can be used even if no HP is transfered.)

Saias
Wargod's Tome Base upgraded is Atk/Res Ploy 3 (-5 each)
Refine: {New} Hone Spectrum (At start of turn, grants adjacent allies Atk/Spd/Def/Res +3) //Works well with natural Escape Route//

Lyon
Naglfar Base remains untouched
Refine: Triangle Adept 3 [OR] Distant Defense 3 [OR] {New} Colorless Breaker (If foe is a colorless unit, unit can make a follow-up attack and foe cannot.)

Finn
Finn's Lance - 11 Mt
Base: Brave Lance
Refine: Death Blow 3 [OR] Hit & Run

Palla, Catria, Est
Whitewing's Sword/Lance - 16 Mt
Base: Accelerates Cooldown -1
Refine: {New} Tri-Attack (If number of flier allies 2 spaces around unit => 2, grants unit guarenteed follow-up attack and +10 damage when special activates.)

I could go on...

Cain and Abel's statlines are already perfect for Firesweep weapons. Some sort of variant on those would work well, while Jagen would do better with something similar to Berkut's Lance or the Bright Naginata. What they'd be called or what their refined effects would be, I have no clue, but there's an idea. No clue about Gordin though.

If there are multiple Shadow Dragon related refines/new prfs and one of them isn't for Catria, I will be a sad panda...

It would be great if the pagasus trio got weapons with similair effects, that would simulate the triange attack.
Boosted stats/special cooldown when withing 2 spaces of an ally flier or something.

Flier-based Owltome melee weapons?

Maybe like B!Tharja or B!Sanaki's weapons, to allow flexibility
So two skill amouth of fliers x2 for that skill
With maybe a killer effect as base (-1cd)
With the stats differend for each one.
Palla: atk/spd
Catria: spd/def
Est: Atk/res

A bit too weak maybe?

Might be good for the others, but it would hardly set Catria apart from Sumia - and that's the biggest problem/why she needs one so bad (Sumia with a Def Refined Slaying Lance would still be at +1 speed over Catria with 2 allies within range, sure the difference in attack would be greater, but that wouldn't really make her stand out much).