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Why is Deirdre tier 6?

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I love Deirdre so much... i understand this outrage.

I think she's T6 because she's anti-meta, and that means she lives & dies based on how the meta shifts & rotates. There aren't that many dragons running around right now, nor is Reinhardt as deadly as he was, so everything Deirdre counters is no longer "meta" at least for now.
That said, I don't think she deserves to be in T6 since she does her anti-meta job better than, say, Julia.
I understand why she's plummeted, I just don't think it should've been that far of a fall for her.
But even I noticed that my beautiful forest wife is spending more time on the bench than she did a few months back. Just some slight meta shifts that affect her so much purely because her role is as an anti-meta unit.

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Hot mamma... i love that deirdre even though I'm not a Fury/Desp fan.
I'm running two builds on mine right now, IVs are +spd -res (tragic bane)

First is her basic EP build. Mirror Stance, QR, Spd Ploy,flexible seal
Second is her anti-Dragon/player phase build, since she's +spd she can pull it off (I love this one a lot btw): Swift Sparrow, Watersweep, Spd Ploy, Phantom Spd seal.

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I don't agree completely, dragons straight up oneshot her due to her low def, in some cases even blue dragons can tank her and procede to kill her in the retaliation. Julia has the same problem but she has a bit more atk which means she may able to oneshot when Deirdre is unable

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I need specific cases to explain this to me, because my Deirdre has no problem oneshotting every blue dragon and most green ones unless they're specifically built to counter Deirdre.

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My +10 Nowi with +def -hp was able to tank a Deirdre in a defensive tile and kill her.
Deirdre has 47 base atk and reaches 70 against dragons which is not enough to kill Grima or Myrrh while they will straight up oneshot Deirdre for her low def.
She reaches 84 atk against blue dragons and it's now enough to oneshot them if they are in defensive tile.
If she specializes in killing dragons she should be able to do that even against triangle disadvantage, but she struggles even against neutral matchups

EDIT: just tested in the battle simulator and a neutral Nowi with def refined Lightning breath and qr will survive to neutral Deirdre if she is in a defensive tile and procede to kill her, even with no merges and no IV

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+10 Nowi... could kill a lot of things despite the weapon triangle.
It's true that Deirdre can't tank Grima or Myrrh, but for Deirdre to win that matchup the difference can be as simple as an attack boon. That doesn't make her terrible.

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Just tested in the battle simulator with neutral Nowi with no merges and the result doesn't change.
She can't fight any DC user, she struggles in killing dragons when she has an effective weapon and mages are not relevant, this is why I'd also rate her low. In this meta she isn't that usefull

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The current meta doesn't value ranged units due to having poor BST. Deirdre also doesn't have any specialties; Her Atk and Spd are too low to run Bladetomes, and her Def is too low to run CC and Gronnowl. All she has left is her Res, which won't be very useful due to magic units being uncommon in high tier arena. She doesn't have access to the high BST and valuable skills of Armor units; which is why Halloween Henry, Nino, and probably Lewyn are generally the best green mages of Arena; Nino is a specialised Bladetome nuke H!Henry can run a nasty tank build with Vengeful Fighter, Owltome, and Close Counter, and Lewyn is pretty much Greenhardt.

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by Makina 3 months 3 weeks ago

The meta right now is very Spd focused(unless we're talking about Armors then Spd is irrelevant to them).

When you look at teir 1 and 2 most of them are either fast and hits hard or armored, and Deirdre does hit hard but is'nt fast and that's why she is tier 6 and mages Nino it's because they are launch units that thye are "outshined" by the newer units that can do the same thing as she does. I'm not saying I agree to it, I'm just saying why she is placed like that(from my observations)

And don't bother with the Teir list \.If you don't agree to the teir list then it's fine cause the teir list is made by the "OPINIONS" of other people and not everyone will agree to opinions.

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by Deef 3 months 3 weeks ago

i guess its all about beeing slow and having low BST? Although Rienhardt wasn't affected by those factors, but thats thanks to brave tome.
Also you should not compare Nino and Deirdre because they tend to play differently, Nino is offencive powerhouse meanwhile Deirdre is baiter, who shines in enemy phase.

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But the problem is that the targets that Deirdre would do well against aren't prevalent in arena at all. She can't take melee hits/dragon hits/bow and dagger hits due to her low Defense. So she's locked to tanking magic, which isn't prevalent at all in T20 due to poor BST. She doesn't have access to Vengeful Fighter either, which hurts her tanking abilities. QR will only help her for a bit of her HP due to her having so little HP.

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Well, first thing first
-Her inability to tank physical hits isn't reaally big deal if one can play around it (windsweep, watersweep build) or put her in desp range.
-BST is a problem, i'm thinking the same way, her low bst is bad for arena mode itself due to its rules of scoring system
-She is good against dragons, mages and armors, simply because armors still focus on they're def stat so she can pierce some of armors, depends on investment.
-Not everyone use armors for arena team core, there are also dragons, mele infantry and flyers (some manages to use Rienhardt in arena and score 7010 poinst for def team.
I think her main problem is beeing 5* locked, more than anything but that's just me.

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I have to say some things:
- how can you expect to get her into 75% hp when literally anything that hits def oneshot her (over 95% of the units will hit her def)
- let's say she somehow got into that hp threshold, how do you expect her to double with just 28 spd?
- if Nowi is on a defensive tile she will survive and kill Nowi, even if Nowi has no merges and is neutral

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- Ardent sacriffice for example?
- i mentioned builds a lot, indeed 5*+0 Deirdre with vanilla skills will be poor choice, if you want her to work add merges and nice spd boon, skills and stuff, buffs even.
- Watersweep will help since it's common for Nowi to have low spd, if not then phantom speed is an option

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While her stat line isn't that bad you have to note that her physical bulk is way too low, she dies from anything that hits her def, and she may even die from dragons which she should be killing:
- red dragons will straight up oneshot her on the counterattack
- green dragons will kill her if she doesn't double, and if she attacks Grima or Myrrh she has no chance of killing them
- even blue dragons may kill her if she is unable to double and doesn't oneshot, which doesn't happen every time
That's if we don't talk about armors which are the most common units in the meta.
I would rate Nino much higher than her from the fact that, with neutral IVs and without merges, she can tank physical hits decently, that is even better if you get her without - hp or - def and get her to +10, same as what I've done, and she can even tank some reds

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Just for you, I looked up which Tier Florina is in. She is Tier 8, the lowest, and let me tell you, she solo'd so many GHB and Arena Runs (including all armored teams with Hector and/or M!Grima) for me.
What I want to say is: The Tier list just tells you what character is best with lowest possible investment (normally vanilla skill set) for Arena + highest BST + more often used in Arena
So it doesn't really matter for me, I use the units I like, I see that it works and I don't care about the rest.

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Because it's based on Arena, which is honestly stupid.

Tier lists as a whole are dumb.

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by Azurem 3 months 3 weeks ago

Because the tier list is just someone's opinion and you can have a different opinion that's how opinions work.

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