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Why aren't people using Wrath on BK?

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I'm not sure. It might be because Nephenee is a rather difficult unit to get and that she is a pretty good unit in her own right. It also isn't exactly essential on him, as even without Wrath, Black Luna still does amazing damage.

Compare that to Steady Breath and B!Ike, where while B!Ike is a good unit, some units NEED steady breath for their builds. Of course, that's just what I'm thinking. It could also be that there are tons of good B skills, especially for armor.

I run BK with Steady Breath + Wrath. I think he works just fine this way. I also gave him Aether, works well with Wrath for sustain as you said. Bold fighter might be more consistent for player phase but I like him setup to be a dual phase unit.

I also have the Steady + Wrath combo. I'm not very convinced about it, but I'm curious on what other people have to say about it. It is in conjuction to a team full of Knights? Otherwise, I can't see it justify his durability since it costs an S-slot (QR Seal). It's obviously not bad by any means; but you're going to want him to take negligeble amounts if he wants to stay within QR range.

I run him with Vantage. Wha ev.

Good for you that have a Nephenee to sacrifice to Bk, but not everybody have the same units =\

I'm actually an F2P player. I managed to get her twice...this isn't to say I wasn't strategical about my summoning. I was specifically aiming for that.

You said "Why aren't people using Wrath on BK?", well, most of players are F2P or have buyed only a few orbs, is not easy to have 1 or 2 Nephenee or any other 5* locked unit(even if you get a lot of orbs, RNG is monster).

And not everybody like Nephenee or care about Wrath, to pull especifically for her, players like me don't sacrifice the only copy of a unit to boost another(mostly good/cool units). Maybe some players can't see the potencial of Wrath or the skill is not compatible with the playstyle of the player too.

I have Steady Stance, QR2/WoM3 on my BK and is very good, i don't need to change, i never saw the need of that.

As i said before, just cause someone prefer offensive HJakob/Micaiah doens't mean that this is better than the defensive builds, its about the way you play the game, the bait-kill and/or teleport works perfectly to me.

Tbh, i envy you for get 2 Nephenee xD

(Btw, a lot of builds/IVs recommendations on this site makes no sense, if you want you can submit your own build)

I might have to apologise, in that case. If anything, I wouldn't try to make it sound like I'm bragging- more-like, I try to disprove that Wrath isn't extremely scarce and rare as something, like, Brazen Atk/Spd. IS definitely dropped the ball, on that one.

I do admit I felt even the slightiest pity when I foddered off my first Nephenee... but then my Charlotte really really made up for it.

No problem. I feel the pain to sacrifice strong units to others too, but i only do this when i'm 100% sure of that, never for meme builds or "maybe this will work".
I always like to see new build ideas and your BK is very unique.

And i should take more care with Wrath BK in the arena now, if he can knockout Hardin, imagine what he can do against some of my units xD

A) Vantage is really good on Black knight since his black luna charge can put a situation where no unit can kill him without dying

B) We aren't all whales to be giving everyone Wrath.

So you'd count that as Arena Defense value, instead? Vantage takes a sort of timing/positioning...it isn't always perfect. I actually had him Vantage B.Luna a Reinhardt ones...and he didn't die. This was before Wrath. lol

I have 3 nephenees1 i use and the others are for fodder but for me i need either a vantage or desperation seal to consider using it on other unuts so untill then im just holding out

I have 3 nephenees 1 i use and the others are for fodder but for me i need either a vantage or desperation seal to consider using it on other units so untill then im just holding out

"Why aren't people using Wrath on BK?"

Because not everyone has a Nephenee, let alone one to sacrifice. I've never once gotten a Nephenee.

And because Black Luna is already stupidly powerful. I would rather have WoM to sneak attack people. And IS keeps Wrath on Nephenee only.

Rarily is not really a consideration for optimal builds...

The question was "Why aren't people using Wrath on BK?" and ONE possible answer is that not everyone has Nephenee to fodder.

The question wasn't "Why isn't Black Knight with Wrath the optimal build" which is a completely different question.

I'm sure if everyone had an arsenal full of Nephenee's, then they would actually put Wrath on numerous units, but not everyone has Nephenee's to fodder off, if any, so my statement still stands.

Yeah, sorry. Wouldn't have expected it to be most of the reason. Far as I was concerned, I would've thought people mostly preferred Bold/Vengeful Fighter next to it, either way. I've faced a couple of "Armour Emblem" that have merges and the like (while I don't), which I just assume it's usually people with money...that don't have Wrath on BK.

Because he already can troll well with his WOM.
I had so many defenses when I gave him Steady Breath + QP seal and he and Hector had WOM, while Effie would tank every shitty loli mage with her Wary Fighter.
So, no need for Wrath.
Plus Nephene is a rare unit, I only got 1 +spd -def so I will never feed her. 44 Speed with Fury.
If I had to max Black Knight, I'd give him Bold Fighter and Armored Boots to make him a walking living terror.

Rarity of a skill is not really a consideration....

I think it's rare, but not to the extent to make it seem. We've had 4 different opportunities to get Nephenee, and I happened to take advantage of them.

And this is coming from an F2Player that would diss on certain builds, pretty much because of that. I don't throw around the word "optimal". To me, it would imply effeciency, which would in turn end up correlating to things like availability as well as proper use of limited resources. In that aspects. someting like Vantage would fit "optimal" a lot better (which wasn't where I was trying to get at in the first place, by the way).

My reason is easy. I'd rather have a +10 Neph before foddering Wrath to anyone. Neph is amazing. Black Knight, not so much. If Wrath came from say, Bartre, I'd throw Wrath on everyone. But Neph comes first. Because shes amazing.

Dude, BK outclasses her in almost every stat amd only lacks said luxury (+10 and IVs). And then you add innate DC and being part of an "Emblem" team...yeah. She's only ever realistically winning in, like, Mov.

I'll get back tp you after you experience a non-merged beast literally oneshot bulky Blues going counter-triangle.

lawl, "shitty loli mage".

That's not nice. :D

It is indeed good. And it was the premium option for bk for the longest time....b4 bold fighter came out.

B4: steady breath with wrath and quickened pulse was extremely good for baiting.

Now: steady breath, bold fighter and quickened pulse makes him a mixed phase unit.

B4 you could avoid taking a luna to the face on counterattack by baiting him. Now, thanks to bold fighter, you basically have to one shot him to avoid a black luna and few units can take the onslaugh. So baiting wont work as well for him anymore.

Therefore why bold fighter is considered more optimal over wrath. Bold fighter (and even vantage) are more threatening than Wrath

Vantage can be annoying when fighting against, but I would say Wrath is more threatening in the hands of a user. You're looking at the chance to be able to charge it up before even entering a battle, as well as oneshotting virtually every Blue.

I actually made an example of having had fought a Reinhadrt once and have a Black Luna charged...he failed to oneshot because Fortify Cavalry is actually a thing, and Reinhardt isn't made out of paper.

Yes. He is made out if magic. But if you have the resources, do as you please. I don't care.

Probably because skills like QR, Bold Fighter, Vengeful Fighter, and Vantage exist. Espicially the fighter skills.

I don't see said Fighter skills overpowering the stuff I just showed. And as for Vantage, it just seems like a very cheap option people go for...I'd even go as far as to argue he could make better use of Desperation in conjuction to Fury mixed in with Heavy Blade (or +3 Spd Seal, which is what I tend to go for).

I could see Vengeful Fighter being better, if only because you can pair it up with something like Steady Stance (+6 Def) or an Atk-boosting A-slot like Fury. S-slot is also free for something else.