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by assix 9 months 2 weeks ago

I mean, a bladetome will boost his damage without the need to rely on Fierce Stance, meaning that you can run something like another DD there. He's like Elise because he is really sub par until cavalry buffs are factored in, and bladetomes on an emblem team are almost a no-brainer (except in cases like Armor Emblem, where an owl tome is better if you run triple ward, or meta checks) due to the amount of buff flying around, granting a bladetome unit +12 damage (or 18 is it is a hone) from a single unit.

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I admit: my build can not win a flower pot if we only consider raw might in Horse Emblem.

It's also unlikely that it is more powerful on buff-based mixed teams.

But my build is more versatile, it can run well with Spur buffs or even unbuffed.

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True, and the effect on the weapon is nice, but if you can run enough Fortify Cavalries, in addition to the Distant Defense 6, his refine won't matter because your opponents will be doing close to 0 damage anyways.
Your build does work well in a mixed team, however, for an emblem team specifically (which Leo is EXTREMELY reliant on to be good), the bladetome is better.

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He can make either work, it depends on his iv's and what do you want to use him for. And for your best build, double distant def and Iceberg is much better imo.

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by TG15 9 months 2 weeks ago

And talk we shall, my brother!

The way I compare Leo to Elise is that when using both on player phase (let’s face it, they are more player phase than enemy phase unless Leo runs CC, or Leo has multiple 5* SI investment), Elise prevents counterattacks with a wrazzle/dazzle combo. Leo, on the other hand, prevents only follow-ups from ranged foes only through his refinement. Even without considering refinement, Leo had OG gravity. Elise had gravity+. That’s how I compared the 2, and came to the conclusion that on player phase, Elise is simply better from that aspect. Enemy phase considered, Leo can be much more sustainable, but I am going to approach that point below.

Leo also draws comparison to Sigurd in the sense that his refinement ditches the gravity effect and then gives him a 30% reduction in magic damage taken, similar to Sigurd and his 50% first hit reduction. Leo is slightly worse off here as well, since Sigurd can stop 50% of magic and then 80% if any ranged attack on the second hit, which Leo can partially do with a fully upgraded deflect seal.

In terms of investment vs. return, I stand by the bladetome build. Here is his build for me right now:

+atk-res (+1 merged)
Raourblade+
Reposition
Glimmer
Death blow 3
QR3
Hone Cavalry
Attack +3 seal

With that build, on player phase, he hits for 85 attack. That translates to 102 advantage and 68 disadvantage. This build is strong enough to kill any green unit, almost all reds/colorless, and a large chunk of blues. The only 5* skill obtained through SI was Raourblade+, and when ran alongside my other 2 blade originals (Cecilia and Ursula) and complemented by Elise, the team is literally an unstoppable force. Only 3-4 Brave Lyn running Sacae’s Blessing would be a real threat to this team (I have worked around and killed 2 Brave Lyn flawlessly in an arena test run before). That is why I am a firm believer his blade build is his best. There’s a lot of versatility in the build as well, since you can run CC and close/distant def seal to ensure that (in my Leo’s case) he trades a drop to 76 attack for enemy phase defense of 37/38 def/res, even with a bane in resistance, which is still 31/32 against the non-targeted unit type.

I just can’t see passing up pure firepower with 75+ attack potential with tanky versatility for a build that doesn’t break 50 attack without an attack boon and a horse buff at the minimum and really only does well against ranged units. Why worry about longevity when you can kill everything you need to before longevity becomes an issue? That’s the way I see it. Leo wants horse emblem, just like how OG blade emblem is complete with Leo.

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Ok, I admit defeat. I actually forgot my old thoughts about him, which are always using Blade-tome with CC and Vantage. Oh man, good old immortal Leo.

I faced him once in arena, must have been shortly after SI update. Blade-Emblem was new to me, so I was quite surprised to see him taking a hit, kill my Robin in return and activating Vantage afterwards, so he was pretty much immortal. And killed my whole team. Ever since I wanted him for Blade-Emblem...

To the comparisons: I get the one with Eilse now. Offensively she is much better. And in Enemy phase we can agree that it is Sigurd's job to protect her...

Now to Sigurd: Sigurd's distant deflection is actually on the same level as Leo's. Leo totally cancels out the second attack, Sigurd simply reduces it by 80%, this patches up his disavantage on the first shot. It is totally ok to take the second effect in account here, it is unlikely that Brynhildr gets refined for anything but its effect. And regular Brynhildr has a totally different effect.

The main difference between the two is that Sigurd can also react on close ranged damage, which is pretty lethal to Leo. In return, Leo can react on distant ranged attacks, even with natural QR. This makes him more interesting for teams without a serious ranged check. This is where he is unique, as Sigurd was totally alone with this before.

However, comparing this ability with simply blasting off his enemies with a Blade-tome, the second option easily wins. However, this still requires team support and total panic in the case of a Panic-effect. Nonetheless, in Horse Emblem Blade-Leo has won the race by far.

Outside of it, Leo can still be decent. The set I suggested is totally ok. Although it does require team support, too. I guess he is great with Brave Ike, as they might cover each other's weaknesses pretty well. Maybe add Cordelia then, together with Performing Olivia and the team might be great, too. But without Panic Ploy it still uses to a Blade-Emblem, I guess.

So yeah, as I said, I admit defeat. I still believe Leo can be good with his new tome, but I admit that he fully shines, when he uses a Blade-tome instead. Thanks for the detailed explanation though! Good talk brother ; )

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Glad we could come to an agreement.

Leo is definitely underrated. I use him more than SM Eirika because he can take hits when needed and still be able to obliterate foes, whereas Eirika has crumbled against most strong foes on enemy phase. Eirika is a good blade user, but I firmly believe Leo will always be the true OG blade user.

And even with his refinement, he can handle business, just not as quickly, and at times not quite as effectively.

I have used Leo for quite some time now, and used him with a bladetome the second I got my first Tharja back on the male mages vs. female mages VG banner. He was having trouble killing a lot of green units in TT when I was grinding SP for his blade, so the second he got it, the transformation was real. He was a cold blooded killer that went from killing 1 out of every 8 targets he was viable against to killing everything he was supposed to and then some. That’s why I was so strongly for a blade set: I’ve seen the power first hand, and have spread tales of the strength of this team far and wide.

Always great to have a solid discussion like this!

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