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What’s units have bad refines

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I actually prefer Titania and Lon'qu refines to those of Innes and Saber. People like Saber's refine, and I find that he's just a little too slow and doesn't quite hit hard enough for that refine. Innes I feel hasn't solved the issue of being just a touch slow for how fast mages get, which makes the player phase refine inferior, and having somewhat too low of res, which creates issues for trying to ploy without fury (which is what owl effects want - to dodge the recoil damage) or to play enemy phase.

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I feel like it's not actually that bad because now she can actually use blue flame more easily, and atk/def bond seal and stack a second bond, which really helps her awkward statline

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Ok but what if her refine instead gave her Atk/Res bond to contrast Sharena? I mean sure flipping around the map is fun but serious;y it isnt practical at all

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How often do you use flier formation? I personally like that kind of skill, especially in turn-limit maps such as GC or any mode where aggressive play pays well

Like, even just stick a reposition on her and she can sometimes do a lot with the warp

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When I used Flier Formation its on someone like Elincia and Cherche so they can kill much better. So what I mean by that is she is lacking in stats. She just need more of them because the way they are distributed now is a bit lackluster. It's still usable but its a lot worse. Especially when your most commonly used mode is arena like hers is.

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I get what you're saying, but her weaknesses aren't justified by her crazy mobility. She really needed a damage boost, like a Wo Dao, Death Blow or Flashing Blade effect.

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Lon'qu? Are you serious? His refine is one of the best. It made
him relevant, bringing him up several tiers.

I think Anna's refine is pretty mediocre, because it didn't solve her main issue(she hits like a wet noodle), instead giving her crazy mobility.
Jaffar has a fantastic refine but himself is pretty terrible with it, so I guess you can say his refine wasn't good enough.

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I feel stuff like Swift Sparrow and Brazens spoit people away from L&D. They make it seem like you just get oneshot and can't even activated, when it's just as easy to get into Desperation range through Reciprocal Aid and stuff.

Hell, neutral 12 Def Lon'qu with double L&D still takes 60 Atk from Reds to oneshot.

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Idk, I like that Titania can run 3 tactics by herself. It's unique at least, tho yes, it doesn't help her combat at all.

I think Alphonse got the short stick when it comes to refine. TA isn't that amazing since he's good enough at walling green units with his defense anyway.

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Yeah, the Brazen addition was good, not gonna lie, but imagine if he had something more in line with his stats, like Atk/Def Bond to match his sister's refine or something. TA is just :/

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by Deef 3 weeks 1 day ago

I find that Titania's weapon and refine makes her uniqe in a way that she can buff 4 stats of tactic team (3 tactic and rally) and still able to fight blues. IS did nice but simple thing to buff her combat wise and give her a niche.
I can't agree about lon'qu as well.
If were talking about bad refines i think about Ana and Alphonse, her refined weapon could be much better if it had some kind of buff to salvage her atk. Alphonse's TA is just dumb, he will need it in the long run but for now he has good enough atk and def so why making him worse with TA?

Soren has great weapon but why owl refine? It feels as something wrong on him considering his def stat.
Overall i think IS did a good job at helping older units to be viable 5*+10 options.

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Was this a bait thread? I feel like this was a bait thread.

Titania can triple tactic buff and Lon'qu gets an extra attack and speed boost. The only thing that could make his refine better is if he got a Special that calculated speed.

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